2022 Commanders off season thread part 1

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Kyzir White (lb) - signed w eagles for 1 yr/3M w incentives to bring it to 5m

White just turned 26 on Thursday and finished up his rookie contract with the Chargers as a 2018 fourth-round pick on an up note, piling up 144 tackles over 17 starts, which ranked eighth in the NFL. He also had two interceptions.

At 6-foot-2 and 218 pounds, White will be penciled in as the Eagles’ starting off-ball LB next to T.J. Edwards and, on paper, at least, those two look like a good complement for each other with the 240-pound Edwards serving as the thumper in run support at MIKE (middle linebacker) and the speedy White being able to run with backs and tight ends in coverage as the WILL (weakside LB).

Last season, ProFootballFocus.com graded out White as the 20th best off-ball LB in the league while Edwards finished at No. 10.
https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/e...lb-kyzir-white

Leighton Vander Esch -- resigned w boys for 1 yr/3m

Anthony Walker - resigned w Browns, 1 yr/4.75M

Alex Ogletree - FA

Ja'Whaun bentley - Pats for 2yrs/6M .. on paper its 9M but seems like incentives arent realistic
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https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/pat...10-linebackers

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I wanted to go back and see if the Skins missed an opportunity to add a MLB but it seems like the pickings were slim but there were options. Kyzir White seems like the best fit but hes off ball (but reports saw he plays down hill well...)

Opinion - reach out to Ogletree and see if he still is in football shape, add him on a vet min camp invite and see what happens. Hes a vet MLB who is used to calling a defense.

if Holcomb goes down .. we have no one whose called a D before. No one.

Really hope they reach out to some soon for sure. White would have been good. Eagles loaded up on defense with White, Bradberry, Reddick, Jordan Davis, and Nkobe Dean. Feel this is why many picking them to win the East.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Really hope they reach out to some soon for sure. White would have been good. Eagles loaded up on defense with White, Bradberry, Reddick, Jordan Davis, and Nkobe Dean. Feel this is why many picking them to win the East.

Yikes ... hopefully Jalen hurts fucks up their parade.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Yikes ... hopefully Jalen hurts fucks up their parade.

They have a good running game, good receivers now, a strong te and a top oline. Literally, Hurts is the only question mark along with their head coach only being in his second year in the position. People can spin Philly any way they want but they are pretty stacked now. Those defensive acquisitions are no joke at all along with AJ Brown.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Kyzir White (lb) - signed w eagles for 1 yr/3M w incentives to bring it to 5m

White just turned 26 on Thursday and finished up his rookie contract with the Chargers as a 2018 fourth-round pick on an up note, piling up 144 tackles over 17 starts, which ranked eighth in the NFL. He also had two interceptions.

At 6-foot-2 and 218 pounds, White will be penciled in as the Eagles’ starting off-ball LB next to T.J. Edwards and, on paper, at least, those two look like a good complement for each other with the 240-pound Edwards serving as the thumper in run support at MIKE (middle linebacker) and the speedy White being able to run with backs and tight ends in coverage as the WILL (weakside LB).

Last season, ProFootballFocus.com graded out White as the 20th best off-ball LB in the league while Edwards finished at No. 10.
https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/e...lb-kyzir-white

Leighton Vander Esch -- resigned w boys for 1 yr/3m

Anthony Walker - resigned w Browns, 1 yr/4.75M

Alex Ogletree - FA

Ja'Whaun bentley - Pats for 2yrs/6M .. on paper its 9M but seems like incentives arent realistic
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https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/pat...10-linebackers

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I wanted to go back and see if the Skins missed an opportunity to add a MLB but it seems like the pickings were slim but there were options. Kyzir White seems like the best fit but hes off ball (but reports saw he plays down hill well...). Ja'Whaun Bentley may be too young/inexperienced for Ron and Co. to trust .. i think they want a vet. I want a vet in camp right now so he can start getting acclimated.

Opinion - reach out to Ogletree and see if he still is in football shape, add him on a vet min camp invite and see what happens. Hes a vet MLB who is used to calling a defense.

if Holcomb goes down .. we have no one whose called a D before. No one.

Ogletree is a good option IMO.

I was in favor of Myles Jack who signed for 8M/y with the Steelers. But if we're talking cheaper options, Van Noyle signed for 2.25 M with the Chargers.
In terms of guys still available, I'd give a vet min contract to Joe Schobert too, coming of a 1.7M contract with the Steelers he can't possibly be asking for crazy money, he's only 28, never injured from what I can find online, at the very least cheap quality depth...

Anyway, options being available or not isn't the issue. The coaching staff's will to address this glaring issue is.

[skinsfan69]

I just wonder who's idea it was to run a 4-2? I'm not a fan of that defense at all. I know Brandon Staley does it and he is like the worst coach in the history of coaches. Now Del Rio and Ron are doing it and I think very little of Del Rio at this point. A better coach could get more out of this defense.

I hate to say it but Gregg Williams could get more out of these guys than Del Rio. We'll see but I have seen enough to know that either the talent is overrated or the coaching isn't good enough. Probably a little of both.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just wonder who's idea it was to run a 4-2? I'm not a fan of that defense at all. I know Brandon Staley does it and he is like the worst coach in the history of coaches. Now Del Rio and Ron are doing it and I think very little of Del Rio at this point. A better coach could get more out of this defense.

I hate to say it but Gregg Williams could get more out of these guys than Del Rio. We'll see but I have seen enough to know that either the talent is overrated or the coaching isn't good enough. Probably a little of both.

Start of last season ... seemed like the D philosophy was get to 3rd and long then hope your expensive front 4 could get pressure ... but it just didnt happen. we got shredded 3rd and long after 3rd and long w the front 4 not getting pressure and teams targeting our LB soft zone areas.

Relying on that front 4 to be able to create pressure wasnt bad thinking ... just didnt happen .. coaching or guys not following instructions/freelancing (not showing maturity as Ron would say)

[MTK]

I'd bet a good majority of the league plays in a nickel/dime hybrid type of D most of the time. The old days of lining up strictly 3-4 or 4-3 70% of the time is over.

[EdmundDorf]

JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS
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21m
Vet LB off the board
Quote Tweet
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
· 15h
The #Jets are signing LB Kwon Alexander, formerly of the #49ers and #Saints, source said. He has familiarity with Robert Saleh from their days in SF. He gets a 1-year deal


And the list continues to shorten..... Bostic will the last one standing once the FO realise what everybody else has known for months.....

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS
·
21m
Vet LB off the board
Quote Tweet
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
· 15h
The #Jets are signing LB Kwon Alexander, formerly of the #49ers and #Saints, source said. He has familiarity with Robert Saleh from their days in SF. He gets a 1-year deal


And the list continues to shorten..... Bostic will the last one standing once the FO realise what everybody else has known for months.....

Kwon Alexander is an intriguing case, still only 27, potential is not to prove anymore, a lot of injuries though, so availability is some what of a concern. Will be interesting to see how much he gets.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Ron Rivera’s Long-Term Plan Has Set the Commanders Up For the Future - Hogs Haven

https://www.hogshaven.com/2022/8/6/2...for-the-future

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Ron Rivera’s Long-Term Plan Has Set the Commanders Up For the Future - Hogs Haven

https://www.hogshaven.com/2022/8/6/2...for-the-future

Don't worry guys, we're just waiting for some current Panthers linebackers to become free agents and then we're gonna tighten up that LB core.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Every defense has a level that is the weakest. This team is no different.

Let's not forget this was a borderline top 5 defense in 2020 with these LBs:

Jon Bostic
Thomas Davis Sr.
Cole Holcomb
Khaleke Hudson
Mychal Kendricks
Jordan Kunaszyk
Jared Norris
Kevin Pierre-Louis

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Every defense has a level that is the weakest. This team is no different.

Let's not forget this was a borderline top 5 defense in 2020 with these LBs:

Jon Bostic
Thomas Davis Sr.
Cole Holcomb
Khaleke Hudson
Mychal Kendricks
Jordan Kunaszyk
Jared Norris
Kevin Pierre-Louis

Jon Bostic had a very disappointing season in 2020, but Holcomb was on the rise, KPL was playing solid and even with that the weakness at LB showed a lot. This D was only good against weak offenses that year.
This year we can't even line up 3 decent LBs on the field. And that's assuming Jamin Davis takes a big step forward, which isn't a guarantee.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Jon Bostic had a very disappointing season in 2020, but Holcomb was on the rise, KPL was playing solid and even with that the weakness at LB showed a lot. This D was only good against weak offenses that year.
This year we can't even line up 3 decent LBs on the field. And that's assuming Jamin Davis takes a big step forward, which isn't a guarantee.

Not to mention that we can't even line up two pass rushers at DE right now. If Montez sweat were to be injured we immediately go to NONE. We have absolutely no NFL-quality depth at DE. Every year, contenders sign proven NFL pass rushers who are near the end of their careers but can still play limited snaps to help a team - BUT NOT OUR TEAM!

When asked recently about our reserve DE's RR couldn't bring himself to show any any enthusiasm for any of them but still he makes NO CHANGES.

Truly, Rivera acts like he has a job for life. He even claims that he feels no pressure to make the playoffs this season. What a joke he is becoming! I want to see some sense of urgency in the man.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Not to mention that we can't even line up two pass rushers at DE right now. If Montez sweat were to be injured we immediately go to NONE. We have absolutely no NFL-quality depth at DE. Every year, contenders sign proven NFL pass rushers who are near the end of their careers but can still play limited snaps to help a team - BUT NOT OUR TEAM!

When asked recently about our reserve DE's RR couldn't bring himself to show any any enthusiasm for any of them but still he makes NO CHANGES.

Truly, Rivera acts like he has a job for life. He even claims that he feels no pressure to make the playoffs this season. What a joke he is becoming! I want to see some sense of urgency in the man.

I actually like our depth at DE. We can play the "but if he gets injured" game with every position group. That's part of the game. No team has endless starter-quality backups for all position groups.

I heard RR talking highly about the DE depth - Smith-Williams, Toohill, Obada, Toney...