All things off season 2015.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The funny thing is I feel that the CapGate penalty caused more harm to the Redskins than any of the Pats/Brady penalties.

brady broke a rule. we broke the "spirit" of the salary cap. these 2 things arent the same

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

brady broke a rule. we broke the "spirit" of the salary cap. these 2 things arent the same

And Brady did not cooperate with an NFL investigation and lied about his action to the league. So agreed, not the same situation; and as far as I know not the same fan response (see idiots who are protesting and raising money for the Pats).

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

And Brady did not cooperate with an NFL investigation and lied about his action to the league. So agreed, not the same situation; and as far as I know not the same fan response (see idiots who are protesting and raising money for the Pats).

I agree on all points made.

Patriots broke a rule and lied/covered up. We did something that was legal and within the CBA and still got punished. Since 28 teams all signed off on our punishment, I'd say we are down to 27 that need to get their just dues.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The funny thing is I feel that the CapGate penalty caused more harm to the Redskins than any of the Pats/Brady penalties.

that would be a good mid-summer thread/poll:

Which penalty do you think was more harmful?

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

that would be a good mid-summer thread/poll:

Which penalty do you think was more harmful?

Hard to beat the vindictiveness of springing the "penalty" on us on the eve of free agency. And changing the "rules" on how we could split it up after announcing it. And repeated ad nauseum, we broke no rule. The NFL owners just couldn't enforce their illegal collusion to keep the cap in an uncapped year, when the Players Union could have acted. They could only get revenge on us afterwards, after DeMaurice Smith signed away the union's right to take action.

[skinsfan69]

What cracks me up is the NFL actually spent millions on this, put in numerous amounts of hours, all cause a ball was deflated 1.2 psi. Think about how really stupid that is, and how ridiculous it is that they would go to those lengths to prove something so minor.

To me it just should have been handled with a simple phone call by someone in the league office to the head coach. A warning should have been given and be done with it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What cracks me up is the NFL actually spent millions on this, put in numerous amounts of hours, all cause a ball was deflated 1.2 psi. Think about how really stupid that is, and how ridiculous it is that they would go to those lengths to prove something so minor.

To me it just should have been handled with a simple phone call by someone in the league office to the head coach. A warning should have been given and be done with it.

Yeah. You're an idiot.

What does the NFL sell? Incredibly competitive football games. So competitive that they draw in the emotions of millions of fans willing to pay tons of money to attend those games, watch them on TV, buy concessions, buy jerseys, etc. etc.

But as soon as the competitiveness of the very product they're selling is compromised, you're talking about risking the Golden Goose.

The time and money spent on the Wells report pales in comparison to protecting the immense revenue stream their competitive games generate.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah. You're an idiot.

What does the NFL sell? Incredibly competitive football games. So competitive that they draw in the emotions of millions of fans willing to pay tons of money to attend those games, watch them on TV, buy concessions, buy jerseys, etc. etc.

But as soon as the competitiveness of the very product they're selling is compromised, you're talking about risking the Golden Goose.

The time and money spent on the Wells report pales in comparison to protecting the immense revenue stream their competitive games generate.

He isn't an idiot. The 1.2psi had zero impact on the outcome of that game.

If competition is the rationale, the league should have punished the Colts for playing terrible.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

He isn't an idiot. The 1.2psi had zero impact on the outcome of that game.

If competition is the rationale, the league should have punished the Colts for playing terrible.

The punishment is not so much about the 1.2psi. It is about not cooperating with a serious NFL investigation on a team that has cheated and been caught before. Why did Brady not give up his texts? Why did the Patriots not make the ball guy available one more time after the investigation had discovered new evidence and wanted to ask him about it?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

The punishment is not so much about the 1.2psi. It is about not cooperating with a serious NFL investigation on a team that has cheated and been caught before. Why did Brady not give up his texts? Why did the Patriots not make the ball guy available one more time after the investigation had discovered new evidence and wanted to ask him about it?

I would guess because there were incriminating as hell.

[Darrell_Green_28]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

He isn't an idiot. The 1.2psi had zero impact on the outcome of that game.

If competition is the rationale, the league should have punished the Colts for playing terrible.

That's like saying, Yeah I ran the red light/stop sign, but I didn't cause an accident. Why should I get a ticket?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Darrell_Green_28

That's like saying, Yeah I ran the red light/stop sign, but I didn't cause an accident. Why should I get a ticket?

Ummm no it's not. It's like saying I shouldn't spend the next year in jail for running the light.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah. You're an idiot.

What does the NFL sell? Incredibly competitive football games. So competitive that they draw in the emotions of millions of fans willing to pay tons of money to attend those games, watch them on TV, buy concessions, buy jerseys, etc. etc.

But as soon as the competitiveness of the very product they're selling is compromised, you're talking about risking the Golden Goose.

The time and money spent on the Wells report pales in comparison to protecting the immense revenue stream their competitive games generate.

Brilliant! Could not have said it better myself.
The integrity of the game is more important to a $9 Billion a year league than the cost of a thorough investigation. The NFL pays their commissioner $32 million a year. So what. What the fuck does the cost of the investigation have to do with this?
There is video evidence that the game balls were illegally taken into a bathroom stall and tampered with after the refs checked them. There are text messages that Brady refused to release to the investigation. I wonder why?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Brilliant! Could not have said it better myself.
The integrity of the game is more important to a $9 Billion a year league than the cost of a thorough investigation. The NFL pays their commissioner $32 million a year. So what. What the fuck does the cost of the investigation have to do with this?
There is video evidence that the game balls were illegally taken into a bathroom stall and tampered with after the refs checked them. There are text messages that Brady refused to release to the investigation. I wonder why?

Integrity?

Couldn't help but chuckle a little.

We're talking about the league that facilitates prescription drug proliferation and addiction?

The league that went to the ends of the earth to cover up concussion related information until they couldn't?

The league whose officials were caught on the Dallas Cowboy party bus with a bunch of future Hooters' waitresses?

The league who didn't realize knocking a woman out cold was really bad until the news media told them it was after they botched the punishment?

The league who knows Jerry Jones is talking to other teams' running backs and determines the tampering rules don't apply to the Cowboys?

The league who creates a "Commissioner's exempt list" out of thin air?

The league who penalized the Redskins 30+ million dollars for violating cap rules that didn't exist?

This league does whatever it wants with no consistency.

Every team breaks rules and most of those violations end exactly like the post above says, with a phone call that says we know what you're doing, quit.

Brady's punishment is a farce. Zero impact on the competitiveness of that game.

Intentionally roughing the passer has more of an impact on the outcomes of games than deflating a ball 1.2 psi. Suspend those guys. They are intentionally breaking a rule that impacts the competitiveness of the game.

[NC_Skins]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tom-br...164330925.html


Sales merchandised doubled. Yeah....Bob Kraft isn't hurting too much out of all this. He's made millions off this whole fiasco.

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Integrity?

Couldn't help but chuckle a little.

We're talking about the league that facilitates prescription drug proliferation and addiction?

The league that went to the ends of the earth to cover up concussion related information until they couldn't?

The league whose officials were caught on the Dallas Cowboy party bus with a bunch of future Hooters' waitresses?

The league who didn't realize knocking a woman out cold was really bad until the news media told them it was after they botched the punishment?

The league who knows Jerry Jones is talking to other teams' running backs and determines the tampering rules don't apply to the Cowboys?

The league who creates a "Commissioner's exempt list" out of thin air?

The league who penalized the Redskins 30+ million dollars for violating cap rules that didn't exist?

This league does whatever it wants with no consistency.

Every team breaks rules and most of those violations end exactly like the post above says, with a phone call that says we know what you're doing, quit.

Brady's punishment is a farce. Zero impact on the competitiveness of that game.

Intentionally roughing the passer has more of an impact on the outcomes of games than deflating a ball 1.2 psi. Suspend those guys. They are intentionally breaking a rule that impacts the competitiveness of the game.

I think you are confusing examples of "integrity of the game" with morality aspects. The NFL could care less if some 50 year old NFL vet offs himself due to lasting brain damage. It doesn't affect the game. Them not giving a shit is definitely a humanitarian/morality issue. Them not caring about domestic abuse doesn't affect the integrity of the game, it affects their image, which in turns affects their sponsors. Social issues don't affect the game, only their image.

When we talk about affecting the "integrity of the game", what we really mean is affecting the "outcome of the game". This is the point to which Joe/Schneed are talking about. What can affect the integrity(outcome) of the game is cheating. Video taping defensive hand signals, using stickem on their hands, pumping in fake crowd noise, deflating balls. This doesn't mean any of these actions WILL affect the outcome (integrity), just that it could. Even allowing the potential of these game changers could affect the public's perception (and value) of the game. That means more than anything in the grand scheme of it.

Also, I personally don't believe the Patriots (and Brady) were hammered the way they were merely over deflating balls or the integrity of the game. This was a cumulative punishment that took into the account their previous cheating history, the lying and refusal to cooperate, and lastly the actual act of deflating the balls. The bigger factors were their lying/cover up and past history.