Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Too early, way too early, to say Sanchez is a bust

Actually, Sanchez is going to be a fantastic QB. Despite the myriad of interceptions he's made a lot of big plays for his team. I remember when Troy Aikman or Peyton first came in the league they were interceptions left and right. But they also demonstrated the ability to make plays for their teams. I'm not saying Sanchez will be as good as those two, but as you stated it's way to early to call him a bust.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Actually, Sanchez is going to be a fantastic QB. Despite the myriad of interceptions he's made a lot of big plays for his team. I remember when Troy Aikman or Peyton first came in the league they were interceptions left and right. But they also demonstrated the ability to make plays for their teams. I'm not saying Sanchez will be as good as those two, but as you stated it's way to early to call him a bust.

Good point. I just think that Sanchez here would have been a terrible idea. He would have been another David Carr or Patrick Ramsey, and would have been shell shocked by the end of the season. I just pray that this team realizes how awful of a line they have have and take care of that before they bring in the new QB of the future.

[Monkeydad]

FINAL stats/assessment:

Cutler:
TOTAL: 336/555 (60.5%), 3,666 yds, 27 TD, 26 INT, 76.8 rating, 173 rush yds, 1 rush TD, 35 sacks, 1 fumble lost

Sanchez:
TOTAL: 196/364 (53.8%), 2,444 yds, 12 TD, 20 INT, 63.0 rating, 106 rush yds, 0 rush TD, 26 sacks, 3 fumbles lost

Campbell:
TOTAL: 327/507 (64.5%), 3,618 yds, 20 TD, 15 INT, 86.4 rating, 236 rush yds, 1 rush TD, 43 sacks, 3 fumbles lost


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell (64.5%), Cutler (60.5%), Sanchez (53.8%)
Yds =Cutler (3,666), Campbell (3,618), Sanchez (2,444)
TDs = Cutler (27), Campbell (20), Sanchez (12)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (15), Sanchez (20), Cutler (26)
QB rating = Campbell (87.0), Cutler (71.1), Sanchez (62.3)
Rush yds = Campbell (215), Cutler (158), Sanchez(104)
Rush TDs = Campbell/Cutler (1), Sanchez (0)
Sacks (fewest) = Sanchez (26), Cutler (35), Campbell (43)
Fumbles lost (fewest) - Cutler (1), Campbell/Sanchez (3)


JC has proven to be the most accurate and efficient of the 3, the least-turnover prone, and despite having the worst offensive line, weakest running game and most organizational chaos...he has done the best of the three QBs. Cutler came on strong in the final two games, including an uncharacteristic 4 TD/0 INT game for him in Week 17 against the Lions, but threw at least one INT in 12 of the 16 games, including 7 multiple-INT games with highs of 5 and 4 INTs in each of a couple of his worst games. In comparison, Campbell had only three multiple-INT games with his worst being 3 picks in a single game that the Redskins won despite of his off-day (Tampa Bay). The Bears were 0-7 when Cutler threw more than one INT.

Sanchez' stats for the season are abbreviated because of his late-season benching, but ignoring that, his stats are ugly. He completed barely 50% of his passes and had almost double the number of INTs as TDs. This was all with the one of the top defenses in the NFL and the #1 rushing game in the league. When the Jets had to rely on Sanchez' arm, he failed despite having a team around him that would have allowed Campbell to be a Pro-Bowler.

Campbell showed some real leadership and proved himself to be one of the toughest QBs in the league in my opinion. He was sacked 43 times, but I'd like to see a stat on how many times he was hit hard when he was able to get rid of the ball. He was completely abused and literally beaten into the ground with a revolving door of offensive linemen and 5 different RBs, plus the loss of his favorite target in Chris Cooley. He physically survived despite a black eye and other aches/pains, but I also believe and hope that his job security survived. He Jason played very well this season in a bad situation and was one of the few bright spots on offense (along with Fred Davis, Thomas, Kelly emerging...Dockery surviving the season, possibly the discovery of Quinton Ganther's talent).

Thankfully, Vinny Ceratto is gone and Bruce Allen won't let this annual headline happen again in 2010:
Redskins Ignore Offensive Line in Draft -- NFL FanHouse

In my opinion, only Derrick Dockery and Levi Jones earned a return, possibly Mike Williams as a backup only. Casey Rabach managed to last most of the season, but continued to cost the team with his inability to snap in the shotgun formation and stupid penalties in the red zone. Edwin Williams or a new Center should be starting next season. Heyer has proven he's not starter material.

Portis may be back but we better not rely on him to be the sole back. We need to either add another supplementary back or trust Ganther to be part of a RB tandem to keep Portis healthier and maximize his remaining talent, which he does have when healthy...but that's the problem.

With an offensive line, consistency at RB and a capable HC (like Shanahan), I believe Jason Campbell will lead this team to a lot of success in the future. He has already proven that he was the best choice of the 3 QBs in question for the team prior to the season.

I can only be hopeful and almost excited to have an upcoming year led not by a moron in Cerrato and inexperience of Zorn, but by proven winners like Bruce Allen and probably Mike Shanahan. If they have their offseason priorities straight and accomplish them, Jason Campbell and the Redskins will be back on the road to greatness, as us long-time fans were used to and miss.

Thanks for reading and debating my tracking of these QBs throughout the season, even if you disagreed with me.

The future of the Redskins can ONLY get better! HTTR.

[44 70 chip]

Originally Posted by Buster

[SIZE=2]FINAL stats/assessment:

I love how you bolded the stats that Campbell did the best in, while leaving more important stats unemphasized. Kinda tells it's own tale

Here's the truth, Campbell's career averages (stats that can be compared to other QB's regardless of number of games played) among 38 active QB's:

TD percentage: 3.4% tied for 30th out a 38 active QB's (utterly horrible, JP Losman is more likely to throw a TD on a given passing play, reflects unwillingnes to take chances)
Completion %: 61.2% 18th
(decent, but improved by his tendency to check down too often, also shows his unwillingness to take chances)
Yards Per Attempt: 6.6 tied for 26th
(reflects his tendency to check down)
Yards per completion: 10.8 tied for 33rd out of 38
(really reinforces the fact that he tends to be too timid and checks down too quickly and too often)
Interception % 2.3% tied for 4th of 38
(Fantastic! freakishly high for a mediocre QB... because he's checking down too often which means less risk of interception)
Pass Attempts per game: 31.5 11th
(interesting that he's 11th in attempts while being so low in yards per completion, if it needed reinforcement, then this is cement).

Everything in his stats points to the QB he really is, a mediocre QB, a nice guy, a tough guy, but overly conservative, hessitant and timid with his decision making.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by 44 70 chip

I love how you bolded the stats that Campbell did the best in, while leaving more important stats unemphasized. Kinda tells it's own tale

Here's the truth, Campbell's career averages (stats that can be compared to other QB's regardless of number of games played) among 38 active QB's:

TD percentage: 3.4% tied for 30th out a 38 active QB's (utterly horrible, JP Losman is more likely to throw a TD on a given passing play, reflects unwillingnes to take chances)
Completion %: 61.2% 18th
(decent, but improved by his tendency to check down too often, also shows his unwillingness to take chances)
Yards Per Attempt: 6.6 tied for 26th
(reflects his tendency to check down)
Yards per completion: 10.8 tied for 33rd out of 38
(really reinforces the fact that he tends to be too timid and checks down too quickly and too often)
Interception % 2.3% tied for 4th of 38
(Fantastic! freakishly high for a mediocre QB... because he's checking down too often which means less risk of interception)
Pass Attempts per game: 31.5 11th
(interesting that he's 11th in attempts while being so low in yards per completion, if it needed reinforcement, then this is cement).

Everything in his stats points to the QB he really is, a mediocre QB, a nice guy, a tough guy, but overly conservative, hessitant and timid with his decision making.

You love to accuse him of checkdowns out of preference, but with no time to throw and no protection, his short passes were out of necessity. In fact, most of the time, all that was possible with this joke of a line was short passes and screens...WRs can't run downfield and complete routes when the QB is getting nailed 3 steps into his dropback. Early in his career and new with the Zorn offense (if you can call it that), you'd be right about his "timidity" and hesitation, but if you actually paid attention this season, you would have watched his game mature and some signs of real leadership and decisiveness appear, even without much help from his line and teammates.

You're also missing the entire point of this massive thread and my work, it's not to say he's the next Johnny Unitas...it was to prove and support my argument that he was the best of these three QBs that were being discussed as the 2009 Redskins quarterback. He was clearly better than the other two and keeping him was the correct choice. I believe he's earned his place on the team. I realize you're new here and joined halfway through this thread, but no one is saying he's a top NFL QB yet. Potentially he could be with a real offensive line and proper leadership (like Shanahan), but at this time, he's just a better fit than Cutler or Sanchez for the team. That's all we were debating in here.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44 70 chip

I love how you bolded the stats that Campbell did the best in, while leaving more important stats unemphasized. Kinda tells it's own tale

Here's the truth, Campbell's career averages (stats that can be compared to other QB's regardless of number of games played) among 38 active QB's:

TD percentage: 3.4% tied for 30th out a 38 active QB's (utterly horrible, JP Losman is more likely to throw a TD on a given passing play, reflects unwillingnes to take chances)
Completion %: 61.2% 18th
(decent, but improved by his tendency to check down too often, also shows his unwillingness to take chances)
Yards Per Attempt: 6.6 tied for 26th
(reflects his tendency to check down)
Yards per completion: 10.8 tied for 33rd out of 38
(really reinforces the fact that he tends to be too timid and checks down too quickly and too often)
Interception % 2.3% tied for 4th of 38
(Fantastic! freakishly high for a mediocre QB... because he's checking down too often which means less risk of interception)
Pass Attempts per game: 31.5 11th
(interesting that he's 11th in attempts while being so low in yards per completion, if it needed reinforcement, then this is cement).

Everything in his stats points to the QB he really is, a mediocre QB, a nice guy, a tough guy, but overly conservative, hessitant and timid with his decision making.

The numbers absolutely support the narrative that Jason Campbell is unwilling to look downfield, but I've found that once you put the tape on him, the very worst he can be accused of is reacting to the defense/occasionally looking at the rush.

Basically, the one criticism of him that the statistics back falls apart with additional evidence.

I have legitimate concern about his ability to be an accurate QB in the future, but I do know he has been an accurate passer in the past.

[Monkeydad]

For the year, he is.

Long-term, as Campbell has proven, rookie QBs need time and patience to develop. Of course I'm not writing him off long term, he shows a little more than Ryan Leaf, but as for the year...if we had him, we'd be lucky to have 1 or 2 wins.

[Monkeydad]

UPDATED stats/assessment...Campbell is seriously lucky to be alive...still managed better stats than the other two.


Cutler:
WK 15 - 10/37 (37.0%), 94 yds, 0 TD, 3 INT, 7.9 rating, 23 rush yds
TOTAL: 294/484 (60.7%), 3,117 yds, 19 TD, 25 INT, 71.1 rating, 158 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 15 - 18/32 (56.3%), 226 yds, 1 TD, 3 INT, 49.7 rating, 7 rush yds
TOTAL: 176/329 (53.5%), 2,275 yds, 12 TD, 20 INT, 62.3 rating, 104 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 15 - 15/28 (53.6%), 192 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, 57.4 rating, 36 rush yds
TOTAL: 275/426 (64.6%), 3,138 yds, 18 TD, 14 INT, 87.0 rating, 215 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campbell (64.6%), Cutler (60.7%), Sanchez (53.5%)
Yds = Campbell (3,138), Cutler (3,117), Sanchez (2,049)
TDs = Cutler (19), Campbell (18), Sanchez (12)
INTs (fewest) = Campbell (14), Sanchez (20), Cutler (25)
QB rating = Campbell (87.0), Cutler (71.1), Sanchez (62.3)
Rush yds = Campbell (215), Cutler (158), Sanchez(104)


Week 15 Campbell overview:

I have never seen a QB take such a beating from the lack of an offensive line. They HAD been playing well, protecting Jason fairly well over the last month. That ended with a thud tonight. Officially, Jason was sacked 5 times but anyone who watched saw him on his face after nearly every play, being hit before even dropping back many times. He ran out of trouble a few times, once very nice run for the Skins first 1st-down of the game. He was abused and beaten badly, even knocked out of the game at the end of the first half. It looked like he was done for sure, but came back out and played hard despite being hit hard. He showed heart and leadership despite making some mistakes (2 INTs). He was one of the only bright spots in one of the worst massacres I've ever seen. Even the Patriots 52-7 blowout didn't seem THIS ugly...we knew they were doing that to all of their opponents that year. Despite the rough game, Jason's numbers look respectable compared to Sanchez and Cutler, ESPECIALLY CUTLER. His line is one of the worst I've ever seen. Only 10 (37%) completions, under 100 yards, 3 INTs, 0 TDs and a 7.9 passer rating! Sanchez also threw 3 picks.

Tough, tough week for Campbell. Hopefully he will be able to walk and prepare for Dallas in the short practice week. I don't know if Zorn was calling plays again tonight, but it looked nothing like the team that was on a roll lately. Regardless, Jason earned some more respect from me and I bet a lot of other people after his courageous performance in a disaster of a game that was not his fault. I've said before he had no chance behind his O-line, but it was never more true than this MNF game.

[Ruhskins]

As much as I have been a Campbell supporter, he did some stupid plays...however, he was beaten and bruised a lot during the game.

[GTripp0012]

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Week 15 Quick Reads

Worst quarterbacks of the week, ranked by DYAR:

29. Alex Smith
30. Jason Campbell
31. Matt Hasselbeck
32. Mark Sanchez
33. Jay Cutler

I hate to keep harping on last offseason, but this really keeps getting more and more hilarious.

[Bozzy]

What I don't get is that anytime Campbell sees something he doesnt like he calls timeout instead of calling an audible...

I cant even remember the last time Campbell changed the play at the line...

is he not allowed to?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Campbell is a warrior and a the type of guy you want on your team.

[SmootSmack]

I need to go back and watch the game (no, I'm not a masochist) and see why exactly Collins was able to step right in and make two big throws. What did he have that Campbell didn't?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I need to go back and watch the game (no, I'm not a masochist) and see why exactly Collins was able to step right in and make two big throws. What did he have that Campbell didn't?

He put touch on the ball and had the trust in the receiver to bring the ball in. I mean those balls were exactly where they needed to be and the coverage wasn't exactly relaxed. Campbell has enough picks on the year a couple of extra ones aren't going to hurt. If I recall correcty Collins promptly stepped up where he had space and got the balls out relatively quickly. I mean maybe the line put a lil extra juice in their blocks for the backup but that's something I'd have to go back and look at as well.

ESPN broke down the Campbell throws.. 15 completions/28 attempts... 3 overthrown, 2 underthrown, 2 picks, 1 drop, etc

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I need to go back and watch the game (no, I'm not a masochist) and see why exactly Collins was able to step right in and make two big throws. What did he have that Campbell didn't?

It is what it is. He's always going to be a small ball QB. He's never going to be someone that forces the issue, or takes a lot of chances. The really good qb's are risk takers, JC will never be a risk taker. Interesting stat for all of you stat nerds...Jaws said 70% of JC's passes travel LESS THAN 10 yards. And I think he said 20% are BEHIND the line of scrimmage. Now how are we ever going to beat Philly, NY and Dallas throwing 5 yard passes?