When is Enough ,Enough?

[sdskinsfan2001]

This thread is amazing. Not 1% of anyone's mind has been changed or will ever be changed. And this will be true for the next 100 years.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

This thread is amazing. Not 1% of anyone's mind has been changed or will ever be changed. And this will be true for the next 100 years.

I was listening to a radio show talking about how to persuade people, they said first know who you won't ever persuade and persuade and don't try because you will loop yourself into lunacy.

I think of that every time i start down this thread and yet i still come back.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I was listening to a radio show talking about how to persuade people, they said first know who you won't ever persuade and persuade and don't try because you will loop yourself into lunacy.

I think of that every time i start down this thread and yet i still come back.

Lol, yeah, you're definitely a fan of rabbit holes. I still read the posts but I don't respond directly to anyone about actual policy or anything.

[Giantone]

trump tries to take credit for the economy yet it was Obama's and I get hell for saying it.



Unemployment rate by year,

2009- 9.9%
2010- 9.3%
2011- 8.5%
2012- 7.9%
2013- 6.7%
2014- 5.6%
2015- 5.0%
2016- 4.7%
2017- 4.1%
2018- 3.8%

Under Obama the unemployment rate fell from 9.9% to 4.7% (a decrease of 5.2%)
Under Trump the unemployment rate fell from 4.1% to 3.8% (a decrease of 0.3%)
https://www.thebalance.com/unemploym...y-year-3305506
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

In Obama's last 11 months in office 2.09 million jobs were added.
In the last 11 months while Trump was in office 1.84 million jobs were added.
Trump's first-year jobs record was strong. Just not as strong as Obama's last year - Jan. 5, 2018

Could you please explain how Obama stopped black Americans from getting jobs, and how Trump helped black Americans get jobs?



Obama passed the "Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP), the Neighborhood Stabilization Program, the Federal Housing Administration Refinance Programs and the Emergency Homeowner Relief Fund" all of which helped homeowners. And now Trump is abolishing all those programs.
https://money.cnn.com/2011/02/25/new...help/index.htm

Trumps budget make drastic cuts to affordable housing programs that "help millions of low income seniors, people with disabilities, families with children, veterans, and other vulnerable people afford their homes." Trump wants to cut HUD by $8.8 billion dollars or 18.3-percent compared to 2017 levels.
https://nlihc.org/article/president-...bruary-12-2018

And Trump has already transferred the above funding to the richest 1% of Americans via the Trump tax cuts.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetno...nalysis-finds/

What has Trump done to help black Americans keep their homes?

[Giantone]

I am sure the Trump cult love this one..............

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...inity_20181030

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I am sure the Trump cult love this one..............

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...inity_20181030

So now being born here in the US isn't enough,..........and the trump train keeps on rolling over America!

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I am sure the Trump cult love this one..............

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...inity_20181030

I have a huge problem with this. We are going to take a 14 year old that was born here, knows nothing but the United States and send them to a country that they have no identity. To me it is very amoral and not representative of what a country that considers itself a global leader should do.

[Back2RFK]

Originally Posted by Giantone

trump tries to take credit for the economy yet it was Obama's and I get hell for saying it.



Unemployment rate by year,

2009- 9.9%
2010- 9.3%
2011- 8.5%
2012- 7.9%
2013- 6.7%
2014- 5.6%
2015- 5.0%
2016- 4.7%
2017- 4.1%
2018- 3.8%

Under Obama the unemployment rate fell from 9.9% to 4.7% (a decrease of 5.2%)
Under Trump the unemployment rate fell from 4.1% to 3.8% (a decrease of 0.3%)
https://www.thebalance.com/unemploym...y-year-3305506
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

In Obama's last 11 months in office 2.09 million jobs were added.
In the last 11 months while Trump was in office 1.84 million jobs were added.
Trump's first-year jobs record was strong. Just not as strong as Obama's last year - Jan. 5, 2018

Could you please explain how Obama stopped black Americans from getting jobs, and how Trump helped black Americans get jobs?



Obama passed the "Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP), the Neighborhood Stabilization Program, the Federal Housing Administration Refinance Programs and the Emergency Homeowner Relief Fund" all of which helped homeowners. And now Trump is abolishing all those programs.
https://money.cnn.com/2011/02/25/new...help/index.htm

Trumps budget make drastic cuts to affordable housing programs that "help millions of low income seniors, people with disabilities, families with children, veterans, and other vulnerable people afford their homes." Trump wants to cut HUD by $8.8 billion dollars or 18.3-percent compared to 2017 levels.
https://nlihc.org/article/president-...bruary-12-2018

And Trump has already transferred the above funding to the richest 1% of Americans via the Trump tax cuts.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetno...nalysis-finds/

What has Trump done to help black Americans keep their homes?

Your right. With Obama all that was bad was because of Bush all that was good was because of Obama. Now all that's good is because of Obama and all that's bad is because of Trump. You can't have it both ways. When Unemployment is 9.9 its has to come down. When its 4.7 its tougher to bring it down.

"What has Trump done to help black Americans keep their homes?"

Well black unemployment is at its lowest in the history of this country.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Back2RFK

Your right. With Obama all that was bad was because of Bush all that was good was because of Obama. Now all that's good is because of Obama and all that's bad is because of Trump. You can't have it both ways. When Unemployment is 9.9 its has to come down. When its 4.7 its tougher to bring it down.

"What has Trump done to help black Americans keep their homes?"

Well black unemployment is at its lowest in the history of this country.

Thanks Obama! Tougher??? You made me go here, ................look at what Obama walked into and then look what trump was left with . Thanks Obama.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Thanks Obama! Tougher??? You made me go here, ................look at what Obama walked into and then look what trump was left with . Thanks Obama.

Just curious, can't we say thanks to Obama and acknowledge that he stabilized an economy that was in tatters, and still acknowledge that Trump has moved it from a recovery economy to a growth economy.

I can. I have in this thread said that Obama deserves props for setting a base growth and coming in when the economy was sour and riding out that wave.

I also have said that Trump and the Republicans have encouraged growth with pro-growth policies.

Neither of these are mutually exclusive, nor should they be.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I'm not reading those articles, because its not my argument, but any article by The Atlantic is a non starter. And there are sites on the right you could say the same for.

[CRedskinsRule]

I will bring birthright discussion back here.

Here is a good link about it:
https://www.history.com/news/birthri...-united-states

I have long been in favor of far more relaxed immigration rules. I doubt I agree with the hardline conservatives or Trump on it, as the Statue of Liberty's poem has always rang true to me.

That said, I don't think it's fair to equate better/fairer/laxer rules with the issue of illegal immigrants. and by extension it's different when talking of children born to people here illegally versus those who have gone through the legal paths of citizenship. Both my mom and ex-wife came here via military marriages, and I know how much paperwork, time and legalities there were to both of those situations, so I can only imagine what it's like to wait years legally from these countries only to have the numbers allotted cut because of people who came without following the law.

It really is the world equivalent of cutting in line in the cafeteria. The solutions are more complex than more line monitors, but its also not as simple as just tearing down the doors of the cafeteria and allowing mobs to have general admission in.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I will bring birthright discussion back here.

Here is a good link about it:
https://www.history.com/news/birthri...-united-states

I have long been in favor of far more relaxed immigration rules. I doubt I agree with the hardline conservatives or Trump on it, as the Statue of Liberty's poem has always rang true to me.

That said, I don't think it's fair to equate better/fairer/laxer rules with the issue of illegal immigrants. and by extension it's different when talking of children born to people here illegally versus those who have gone through the legal paths of citizenship. Both my mom and ex-wife came here via military marriages, and I know how much paperwork, time and legalities there were to both of those situations, so I can only imagine what it's like to wait years legally from these countries only to have the numbers allotted cut because of people who came without following the law.

It really is the world equivalent of cutting in line in the cafeteria. The solutions are more complex than more line monitors, but its also not as simple as just tearing down the doors of the cafeteria and allowing mobs to have general admission in.

My mother in law is also an immigrant and it is amazing how long she had to wait to be considered an American citizen. To me we clearly need immigration reform.

I know we will disagree philosophically with how to approach immigration to me I am fine going back to a time of open borders come to a border sign papers, pass a background check and quarantine and congratulations you are now a citizen. With that philosophy there would be no need to sneak across the border it would be easier to identify those that are criminals, we would be able to prevent the spread of emergent infectious diseases.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

My mother in law is also an immigrant and it is amazing how long she had to wait to be considered an American citizen. To me we clearly need immigration reform.

I know we will disagree philosophically with how to approach immigration to me I am fine going back to a time of open borders come to a border sign papers, pass a background check and quarantine and congratulations you are now a citizen. With that philosophy there would be no need to sneak across the border it would be easier to identify those that are criminals, we would be able to prevent the spread of emergent infectious diseases.

I agree that we need to reform immigration, and I am closer to what you describe as the way it should be. I don't think we have ever had open borders, but truthfully the difference here is that there is a land connection to the border crossings. When coming by boat or across oceans, the journey had a self-limiting effect that immigration from the southern borders doesn't.

Still, we are a land of immigrants, and when properly enforced, we can be a land of immigrants again.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

My mother in law is also an immigrant and it is amazing how long she had to wait to be considered an American citizen. To me we clearly need immigration reform.

I know we will disagree philosophically with how to approach immigration to me I am fine going back to a time of open borders come to a border sign papers, pass a background check and quarantine and congratulations you are now a citizen. With that philosophy there would be no need to sneak across the border it would be easier to identify those that are criminals, we would be able to prevent the spread of emergent infectious diseases.

No way. Different world. Non starter and with globalization we would be a welfare state. No effing way ever