Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Why not? Id rather have him coaching RG3 than Shanahan. Joe Gibbs had mega success with shit qb's, imagine what he could do with our guy. Plus, he likes to build with FA's. Due to the fact of not having first rounders and our team already having a couple good young pieces, I think that would actually work good! Get Joe on the phone please!

The one thing about Gibbs is that he would have young QBs sit while a veteran started the whole season. He did it with Mark Rypien, Stan Humpries, Jay Schroeder, and with Jason Campbell. I'm not even sure if Gibbs would have drafted RG3 as he's never taken a QB higher than 25th overall in a NFL draft.

But since today's NFL is different than the one during his first tenure perhaps Gibbs would have drafted RG3 and started him right away.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The one thing about Gibbs is that he would have young QBs sit while a veteran started the whole season. He did it with Mark Rypien, Stan Humpries, Jay Schroeder, and with Jason Campbell. I'm not even sure if Gibbs would have drafted RG3 as he's never taken a QB higher than 25th overall in a NFL draft.

But since today's NFL is different than the one during his first tenure perhaps Gibbs would have drafted RG3 and started him right away.

Not to mention that those other qb's didnt exactly show that they were ready to play as soon as RG-3. I mean we did not have Joe Montana starting already but they werent Steve Young either.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The one thing about Gibbs is that he would have young QBs sit while a veteran started the whole season. He did it with Mark Rypien, Stan Humpries, Jay Schroeder, and with Jason Campbell. I'm not even sure if Gibbs would have drafted RG3 as he's never taken a QB higher than 25th overall in a NFL draft.

But since today's NFL is different than the one during his first tenure perhaps Gibbs would have drafted RG3 and started him right away.

Joe Gibbs started Campbell in 2006 essentially because the season was over, and to give in to a fan base that wanted to believe Mark Brunell was the problem even though he really wasn't.

Consider that at the times Gibbs resigned in 2008, he did make mention that he would have held a QB compeition between Todd Collins and JC had he stayed as coach. I believe Gibbs knew that Campbell was not the answer deep down. Joe preferred veteran QB's because throughout his tenure as head coach it was always the veterans who performed well, played smart, and didn't make mistakes that cost the team...

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Joe Gibbs started Campbell in 2006 essentially because the season was over, and to give in to a fan base that wanted to believe Mark Brunell was the problem even though he really wasn't.

Consider that at the times Gibbs resigned in 2008, he did make mention that he would have held a QB compeition between Todd Collins and JC had he stayed as coach. I believe Gibbs knew that Campbell was not the answer deep down. Joe preferred veteran QB's because throughout his tenure as head coach it was always the veterans who performed well, played smart, and didn't make mistakes that cost the team...

Also when you have hall of famers all over the field and several pro bowl players on top of that you can get away with "plugging in" qb's. This team now is a far cry from that collection of talent. God - Bethard and Gibbs were just a lethal combination of know how.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Also when you have hall of famers all over the field and several pro bowl players on top of that you can get away with "plugging in" qb's. This team now is a far cry from that collection of talent. God - Bethard and Gibbs were just a lethal combination of know how.

Edit: I miss lethal combinations of know how.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Also when you have hall of famers all over the field and several pro bowl players on top of that you can get away with "plugging in" qb's. This team now is a far cry from that collection of talent. God - Bethard and Gibbs were just a lethal combination of know how.

Yes I agree completley. But Gibbs just always found a way to make those "old" veteran QB's work.

Looking at Joe Gibbs II, it was just magical how he got his old QB's to play so well:

Mark Brunell 2005 season: at 35 years old, had his best season as a pro. 23 TD's, 10 INT's, 3,050 yards. Brunell was very resurgant and was very dangerous once again up until he hurt his legs in December of 2005.

Todd Collins: 36 years old in 2007, he had a great season even though it was for 4 games and about 1000 yards, but he did throw 5 TD's and 0 INTs, makes you wonder what he could have done if he had the whole 2007 season and beyond.

Man i miss the good old days!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Joe Gibbs started Campbell in 2006 essentially because the season was over, and to give in to a fan base that wanted to believe Mark Brunell was the problem even though he really wasn't.

Consider that at the times Gibbs resigned in 2008, he did make mention that he would have held a QB compeition between Todd Collins and JC had he stayed as coach. I believe Gibbs knew that Campbell was not the answer deep down. Joe preferred veteran QB's because throughout his tenure as head coach it was always the veterans who performed well, played smart, and didn't make mistakes that cost the team...

I wonder how Gibbs 2 would have turned out had he went after Kurt Warner back in 04 instead of Brunell. I thought he would go in that direction because of the Coryell connection with Mike Mike Martz.

[los panda]

warner lit it up in ny

[SolidSnake84]

Warner had a hurt hand while he was in NY. Look at how his career finished up. He went out one of the all-time greats. No doubt we would have been as good or maybe better with Warner than we were with Brunell.

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Let's spin this conversation forward then..

So as one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your (or anyone else who wants to fire Shanny) SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

This is the only reason I'm not for firing Shanahan. Who is going to replace him? What is the FO structure going to be like?

People say Sean Payton but he is not coming here, vacancy or not. Even if he did its no guarantee that he will turn the Skins into a success story. Why would he or any up and coming candidate come here? Without first round draft picks and a reduced salary cap starting a team and getting him what he'll need will be difficult, at best. And with it being his first year any forward progress won't be seen for a couple of years.

For better or worse we're stuck with MS. I don't see things getting but stranger things have happen.

[Jayroc24]

SS- Marcus White?

[Alvin Walton]

Report: Jon Gruden eyeing a return to coaching

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by Jayroc24

SS- Marcus White?

Ok, I'm sorry what is that in reference to? Is that related to something earlier in the thread? :confused:

And Jon Gruden coming wouldn't be any different than Shanahans stint here.

[NC_Skins]

I think the real question should be, why did Mike agree to coach this team knowing that it was in total shambles and needed a major overhaul?


My biggest gripe with Shanny from day one is that he didn't declare it a rebuild, and traded valuable picks for a aging QB and broken down LT. Why not just suck it up, keep JC and bring in Rex to battle for the spot, and build through the draft and FA. Just hold tight until a QB could be drafted (like this year) and roll from there.

However, I had read some answer from his initial interviews when he first got here and KNEW it was going to take more than 3 years to clean out the old aging vets, and get young talent. When the said he told his son Kyle not to come that this place was a mess. It says a whole lot.

“I’m the one that told Kyle not to come,” he said. ”I said, ‘This is going to be a work in progress. It’s not going to happen over night. And you were on an established team. You’ve got your ducks in order.’”

So again, why in the hell did he take this "trap" of a job? I assume it's because he had a huge chip on his shoulder to prove people wrong. He may have bit off more than he could chew with this mess we had. I firmly believe you don't correct 20 years of horrible culture and mismanagement with 2-1/2 years. It's not going to happen.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Joe Gibbs started Campbell in 2006 essentially because the season was over, and to give in to a fan base that wanted to believe Mark Brunell was the problem even though he really wasn't.

Consider that at the times Gibbs resigned in 2008, he did make mention that he would have held a QB compeition between Todd Collins and JC had he stayed as coach. I believe Gibbs knew that Campbell was not the answer deep down. Joe preferred veteran QB's because throughout his tenure as head coach it was always the veterans who performed well, played smart, and didn't make mistakes that cost the team...

If Gibbs was still coaching, there would have been no Jim Zorn. No Shanahan. No Bruce Allen and Vinny would still be here unless Snyder just so happened to get rid of him. Todd Collins went on to play terribly for the Bears and Campbell is on his second team since leaving the Redskins. At some point Gibbs would have to be smart and take a hard look at the Rothliesburgers, Rivers, E. Manning, and begin to realize that drafting a QB high and starting him right away would be the best course of action.