Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why would Campbell boost the morale of the team any more than the loss of Portis would lower it? Portis is the lifeblood of the offense.

yet Portis was in the midst of a career low season, with the same starters as last year, all healthy, but with upgrades at the WR position...so why would that be? what's different? the key player struggling with the new offense. why keep no.8 trying to master it this late in the season?

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by illdefined

yet Portis was in the midst of a career low season, with the same starters as last year, all healthy, but with upgrades at the WR position...so why would that be? what's different? the key player struggling with the new offense. why keep no.8 trying to master it this late in the season?

Damn that new Saunders Offense!!!!!!! Fire him and let Gibbs have it all back - SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL!

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

The factor that everyone ignores when comparing defense to offense is morale. When the defense forces a three and out....which is rare this season i will admit, followed by a three and out by our offense, what do you think happens.................the defense is not only tired, but loses morale and motivation knowing the offense isnt producing. You cannot look at rankings, because with all the rankings taken into account the skins D ranks dead last in the league, 30th yards given up and last in forced turnovers and sacks (pretty bad). There is no way that you could truly think that the skins actually have the worst defense in the league. The offense is the main reason the defense is ranked so low, with that many possessoins for the other team, the yards are gonna add up, however, we have been getting some crucial stops at the end of games, with our offense following it up with a three and out. I believe we have a slightly below average defense, they just need the morale boost. Hopefully campbell is that.

That's some flawed reasoning there my friend.

I don't know what games you've been watching... but teams are able to score early, sustain drives, control the clock, and get the big plays they need.

You prove this yourself, "the skins D ranks dead last in the league, 30th yards given up and last in forced turnovers and sacks (pretty bad)". The Defense IS really that bad. That has nothing to do with our offense.

Brunell may not have been the best QB, but he, and his offense, can by no means can be used for an excuse as to our lack of Defensive play.

Lets put that argument to rest.....please!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

That's some flawed reasoning there my friend.

I don't know what games you've been watching... but teams are able to score early, sustain drives, control the clock, and get the big plays they need.

You prove this yourself, "the skins D ranks dead last in the league, 30th yards given up and last in forced turnovers and sacks (pretty bad)". The Defense IS really that bad. That has nothing to do with our offense.

Brunell may not have been the best QB, but he, and his offense, can by no means can be used for an excuse as to our lack of Defensive play.

Lets put that argument to rest.....please!

Well, there needs to be two sides for there to be an arguement and I at least feel like I have defended mine well. So if people who think we have really made a step towards improving our football team continue to push the issue, I feel obligated to defend. I think I owe to the community, because without the opposing viewpoint on the Brunell issue, then we aren't going to understand why we were beaten by the Bucs.

A loss to Tampa Bay erases any hope of a WC birth, and I feel as a fan like the team has given up.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, there needs to be two sides for there to be an arguement and I at least feel like I have defended mine well. So if people who think we have really made a step towards improving our football team continue to push the issue, I feel obligated to defend. I think I owe to the community, because without the opposing viewpoint on the Brunell issue, then we aren't going to understand why we were beaten by the Bucs.

A loss to Tampa Bay erases any hope of a WC birth, and I feel as a fan like the team has given up.

well you 'expected' to lose to the Eagles as well, which makes me question: if you fully expected to lose, why not attempt something to try and change that result? (and why did you bother watching?)

it all comes down to this: physical abilities vs. experience. is Campbell an upgrade over No.8?

can i get a Poll?

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by illdefined

well you 'expected' to lose to the Eagles as well, which makes me question: if you fully expected to lose, why not attempt something to try and change that result? (and why did you bother watching?)

it all comes down to this: physical abilities vs. experience. is Campbell an upgrade over No.8?

can i get a Poll?

You won't need a poll. You'll find out in 7 games.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by illdefined

well you 'expected' to lose to the Eagles as well, which makes me question: if you fully expected to lose, why not attempt something to try and change that result? (and why did you bother watching?)

it all comes down to this: physical abilities vs. experience. is Campbell an upgrade over No.8?

can i get a Poll?

It's a divisional game, and stranger things have happened. If we had won, it would have been a lucky win, but I know as a confirmed Eagle hater (if theres any bias from me, its certainly anti eagle. I hate them more than Dallas), that if we had somehow managed to pull off the victory, it would have been the sweetest moment of 2006 for me. So I watched in desperate hope.

I agree, why NOT do something drastic and unexpected on defense to try to get at least back to average? Makes no sense to me either.

At the end of the year, we will have objective (key:non-biased) statistical analysis to see who played better. We won't know until then, so a poll is sort of pointless at this point in time.

[hesscl34]

Our D lost his season for us, period.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Our D lost his season for us, period.

SUCH a fruedian slip.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Our D lost his season for us, period.

It's not ONLY the defense, but its very mainly the defense.

To build on hess' point though, the offense has YET to put the D in a bad situation. They don't score a lot of points, but look at the field position against. Why oh why can't we stop anyone. Either its a big play or a methodical drive. We never force punts, we never get turnovers. Every once in a while, the opponent misses a FG, giving us good field position. Otherwise, we get pinned inside our 20.

Statistically when starting from the 20, you are going to average 0 "pythageorean points". Meaning a league average offense has just as good of a chance of creating points for the defense (through a turnover or giving godly field position at the 40 or better), as they do of scoring them. Inside the 20, you would be negative, and if you started on the opposing 1, it would be very close to 6. But yeah, field position usually determines what you are going to do points wise.

And our D is killing us.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's not ONLY the defense, but its very mainly the defense.

To build on hess' point though, the offense has YET to put the D in a bad situation. <snip>.

3 and out by the Offense is a good thing then?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

3 and out by the Offense is a good thing then?

How often does that happen? Less than league average I'd bet. One thing we've improved on from last year is the number of three and outs have dropped significantly.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

GTripp,

According to that site's DPAR rankings, Brunell is better than:

Tom Brady
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
Rex Grossman
Chad Pennington
Tony Romo
Matt Hasselbeck
Michael Vick

There goes that site's credibility. Please stop citing DPAR, DVOR, or anything from that site.

I've got a stat - 99.999999% of all stats cited on internet sites run by yahoos are B.S.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

GTripp,

According to that site's DPAR rankings, Brunell is better than:

Tom Brady
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
Rex Grossman
Chad Pennington
Tony Romo
Matt Hasselbeck
Michael Vick

There goes that site's credibility. Please stop citing DPAR, DVOR, or anything from that site because, if your relying on those stats, you've got no real basis for your contentions.

I'm dissapointed.

It's not like I want you to come out and admit to me that Mark Brunell>Tom Brady. He's not. But if you are going to completely discredit a source, because either you don't understand what they are doing, or it goes against some preconceived notion that you have...thats rediculous.

They aren't perfect, but it's better than say, QB Rating (another stat in which Mark Brunell ranks ahead of Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Rex Grossman, Chad Pennington, Vick and Hasselbeck), because it tries to eliminate the factors a QB can't control.

And I don't even see what you are trying to say. Why CAN'T Brunell be better than those guys. Did he do something against the QB code? Not to say that he is better, but listing names doesn't make a guy better than Brunell.

I'm confused. Maybe I should discredit all stats while I'm at it. We can't have us being led to conclusions that disagree with common opinion now can we.

Actually, they have really good credibility...but I can't help but wonder if you are saying this just to try to win the arguement?

Either way, from a moderator on the warpath, I have come to expect a more open mind.

Whatever.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

They aren't perfect, but it's better than say, QB Rating (another stat in which Mark Brunell ranks ahead of Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Rex Grossman, Chad Pennington, Vick and Hasselbeck), because it tries to eliminate the factors a QB can't control.

And I don't even see what you are trying to say. Why CAN'T Brunell be better than those guys. Did he do something against the QB code? Not to say that he is better, but listing names doesn't make a guy better than Brunell.

You ask why can't Brunell be better than Brady, Manning, Grossman, Palmer, Pennington, Romo, Vick, and Hasselbeck? I can't believe you are actually asking that. I pray that you are not implying that he is better than them.

Either you are: (1) arguing that Brunell is better than those QBs; or (2) you concede that there is something wrong with those stats. So which is it?