Iran Supplying Weapons to Iraq?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

somewhere along the way, the united states has forgotten how to fight a war. in war, there will be death and injury. to those who deserve, and the undeserving. trying to keep the undeserving out of it, as much as possible, and basically destroying anything , or anyone that stands in our way. we are way too worried about offending, to fight effectively. we are also way to interested in ground fighting. if someone wants to pick a fight with us, lets show them why we are the only superpower. we should have bombed bin laden, or at least until he was handed over. that would have opened the worlds eyes. not this pussyfooting around we are doing in iraq right now

Its not that we do not know how to fight a war look at how fast we moved in to Iraq and look at the first Iraq war. The problem is that they are not an army we are fighting and they only attack from a distance while hiding behind women and children. Everytime we have engaged them in a battle we have distroyed them and thats why they hide among the people of Iraq. I agree with you that we take to many precautions but its people like John Kerry and his buddies in comgress that accuse our men of terrorizing women and children which makes it hard. That is coming from people who are suppose to support our troops and not degrade them.

[Hog1]

Dmec's correct though, if your fighting a war, fight it! if your worried about politcal correctness, go home. We afford our enemies many luxuries they do not give us, beheading's, torture, etc

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

We afford our enemies many luxuries they do not give us, beheading's, torture, etc

well, at least we don't behead them.

but in korea, we couldn't "just fight the war" unless we wanted to invade china (which, by the way, would be totally impossible and unwinnable). Our armed forces aren't as big as they used to be and we can't afford and are not capable of taking on all comers.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

well, at least we don't behead them.

but in korea, we couldn't "just fight the war" unless we wanted to invade china (which, by the way, would be totally impossible and unwinnable). Our armed forces aren't as big as they used to be and we can't afford and are not capable of taking on all comers.

Maybe, I was misunderstood. I meant that we are way civil in the process of war. maybe to civil. To my knowledge, we don't torture anybody. And a handful of pics taken of prisoners in the buff is not torture

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Maybe, I was misunderstood. I meant that we are way civil in the process of war. maybe to civil. To my knowledge, we don't torture anybody. And a handful of pics taken of prisoners in the buff is not torture

no, we don't toture, but we do contract torture out to countries like pakistan and send people there for "questioning".

[dmek25]

killing and raping innocent people just for the sake of doing it will never be justified, in my book. but if civilians get killed along the way, then so be it. kerry fought for this great country. so if anyone has the right to talk about what happened while he was there, it should be him

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

killing and raping innocent people just for the sake of doing it will never be justified, in my book. but if civilians get killed along the way, then so be it. kerry fought for this great country. so if anyone has the right to talk about what happened while he was there, it should be him

I did not know that he was fighting in Iraq? Thats what he sad about our troops there.

[dmek25]

i thought you were talking about vietnam. i didnt hear him say anything bad about our boys in iraq. link?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i thought you were talking about vietnam. i didnt hear him say anything bad about our boys in iraq. link?

YouTube - John Kerry calls American troops terrorists

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i thought you were talking about vietnam. i didnt hear him say anything bad about our boys in iraq. link?

OK demk25 you seem pretty much up on things how did you miss that one it was even covered on National News and you favorite Fox News?

[dmek25]

i agree with what he said, just not the way he said it. sorry if i come off as a know it all about my beliefs, but there was only one other person at work i could talk politics to, and they switched Dept's. i think i missed my calling, because i definitely would have been a political science major.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i agree with what he said, just not the way he said it. sorry if i come off as a know it all about my beliefs, but there was only one other person at work i could talk politics to, and they switched Dept's. i think i missed my calling, because i definitely would have been a political science major.

I'll let your first sentence speak for its self.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I'll let your first sentence speak for its self.

so you don't think the Iraqi people should be policing themselves?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

so you don't think the Iraqi people should be policing themselves?

Yes they should but if it is a person or group we think is attacking our troops we have to be involved so we do the best in catching the person or group. From what I have seen we are involving them more and more in our policing the areas and in most of Iraq they have total control of the cities. You have to re member that 80% of Iraq is living in peace and its the 20% in and around Bagdad which is causing all of the problems. That 80% living in peace where kids are going to school (some for the first time) running water, electricity, and living mostly normal lives is the 80% totaly irnored by our media. I'm not saying that the bombings should not be reported but why ignore all of the positive thing happening in Iraq and why not give some positives reports on how the troops are doing in other areas? Its like when the 1/4 state of the economy comes out and they have to report the good news they always seem to add a but and then find something negative to add to the story. It happens every time and there is always going to be something negative in the economy no matter how good things are going. The other week on one of the major news channels they had to report that unemployment was at a low for so many years and I knew that they could not just report that and sure enough they had to add something negative.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Yes they should but if it is a person or group we think is attacking our troops we have to be involved so we do the best in catching the person or group. From what I have seen we are involving them more and more in our policing the areas and in most of Iraq they have total control of the cities. You have to re member that 80% of Iraq is living in peace and its the 20% in and around Bagdad which is causing all of the problems. That 80% living in peace where kids are going to school (some for the first time) running water, electricity, and living mostly normal lives is the 80% totaly irnored by our media. I'm not saying that the bombings should not be reported but why ignore all of the positive thing happening in Iraq and why not give some positives reports on how the troops are doing in other areas? Its like when the 1/4 state of the economy comes out and they have to report the good news they always seem to add a but and then find something negative to add to the story. It happens every time and there is always going to be something negative in the economy no matter how good things are going. The other week on one of the major news channels they had to report that unemployment was at a low for so many years and I knew that they could not just report that and sure enough they had to add something negative.

Where are you getting this information? Please provide the sources, because this is completely contrary to what everyone in any position of knowledge is saying about the situation. Is your argument that our project in Iraq is succeeding? And what kids are going to school for the first time? Education enrollment in Iraq was close to 100 percent prior to the invasion. It is now at 30 percent. Maybe I have been indoctrinated by the media, so point me in the direction of what I should be consulting and we will take it from there.