NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?

[Gmanc711]

This is so beyond stupid its unbelivable....


but its the Redskins, so its very belivable.

[BrudLee]

The only way this could be true and not involve me spitting out bile for the next week involves the following variables:

• The Redskins think that there is parity among the top four DT's in the draft. There is legitimate argument that the best DT is Okoye or Branch, and Justin Harrell is rising. If our scouts see a fourth DT in that mix, then he's a guy that should make it through to 31.
• Marcus Washington is, literally, half the player he was. We know nothing of his health status, and if his hip has rendered him immobile, we don't have the guy to be our SAM LB.
• Preliminary discussions have Briggs signing a deal that doesn't pay him much differently than the Bears would have in their early contract proposal. Sometimes a player will take less to get out of what they see is a poisonous situation. Granted, it doesn't happen with the Redskins signing checks very often, but hope spring eternal.
• There's something else coming over from Chicago, even if it's just for show. Tack a fourth round pick on a deal, and it acts like spackle, filling in the little cracks that we all inherently see.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

The only way this could be true and not involve me spitting out bile for the next week involves the following variables:

• The Redskins think that there is parity among the top four DT's in the draft. There is legitimate argument that the best DT is Okoye or Branch, and Justin Harrell is rising. If our scouts see a fourth DT in that mix, then he's a guy that should make it through to 31.
• Marcus Washington is, literally, half the player he was. We know nothing of his health status, and if his hip has rendered him immobile, we don't have the guy to be our SAM LB.
• Preliminary discussions have Briggs signing a deal that doesn't pay him much differently than the Bears would have in their early contract proposal. Sometimes a player will take less to get out of what they see is a poisonous situation. Granted, it doesn't happen with the Redskins signing checks very often, but hope spring eternal.
• There's something else coming over from Chicago, even if it's just for show. Tack a fourth round pick on a deal, and it acts like spackle, filling in the little cracks that we all inherently see.

I starting to think that the DT and DE are all running about the same and there was talk early in Feb. that the Redskins were not wild about these DE and DT at a 6th pick in the draft! I am begaining to feel that is true. I also see much of what you are saying could be true[in your post] but for me Brings the 31st pick in the draft is a little short of that 6th over all pick. So a 2nd or a 4th would go along ways towards making this good. But in trades like this we seem not to do well. AS for Washington I truly hope his is not that bad off. He is one of the Redskin Players I really like!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I starting to think that the DT and DE are all running about the same and there was talk early in Feb. that the Redskins were not wild about these DE and DT at a 6th pick in the draft! I am begaining to feel that is true. I also see much of what you are saying could be true[in your post] but for me Brings the 31st pick in the draft is a little short of that 6th over all pick. So a 2nd or a 4th would go along ways towards making this good. But in trades like this we seem not to do well. AS for Washington I truly hope his is not that bad off. He is one of the Redskin Players I really like!

I can't imagine that Gibbs & Co. were disenchanted with all of the defensive linemen projected to go in the first 10-15 picks. But then, they don't seem to be enamored with ANY defensive linemen year after year.

Even if they weren't happy with the D-linemen at #6, why not trade down just a few spots and pick up more selections in the second or third? Winding up with the #31 spot in the first round smashes any notion of trading down.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I can't imagine that Gibbs & Co. were disenchanted with all of the defensive linemen projected to go in the first 10-15 picks. But then, they don't seem to be enamored with ANY defensive linemen year after year.

Even if they weren't happy with the D-linemen at #6, why not trade down just a few spots and pick up more selections in the second or third? Winding up with the #31 spot in the first round smashes any notion of trading down.

You are right that is why we need a 2nd or 4th[I don't believe they have a 3rd in 07] thrown in as well from the Bears.

[Hog1]

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[SKINSnCANES]

ESPN.com - NFL - Agent: Bears' Briggs could go to Redskins in trade

"But it's a win-win situation," Rosenhaus said. "Chicago only wants to sign Lance to a one-year contract anyway. If they made the trade, they would move up 25 spots in the first round and be able to choose one of the premier players in the draft. And Lance, obviously, would get the long-term deal he wants [from the Redskins]. It's a good resolution for everyone."

he doesnt mention the skins as part of the winners... We deserve more for the 6th pick that a player and the 31st...briggs isnt goign to play for them, they have no leverage...we should give them both our sixth picks and say you got a good deal on adam, heres your sixth pick back, and ours

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I clicked the wrong button and said I love it, however, don't mistake stupidity for passion. I DO NOT WANT THIS AT ALL.

Can it please just be draft day and we hear the names Branch, Okoye, Adams, Anderson, or Carriker? That's ALL I want to hear.

[JoeRedskin]

I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.

Maybe you're scared about agreeing with 56fanatic, but I agree with both of you. And I'm a mod, so you're safe

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.

Yeah but what franchise-tagged player is ever actually worth 2 first rounders? Sean Gilbert certainly wasn't, just ask the Panthers.

We better be getting additional picks besides just the 31st in this deal. Otherwise I'm about done defending Gibbs and his front office moves.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.

That is funny. I just think this is an awesome deal for us. we get Briggs and the 31st, we dont lose a 1st round pick when generally you lose 2 first rounders dealing for a franchise player. Briggs is a Ray Lewis type LB. Motor is always running, intense guy who plays with not a chip but a log on his shoulder. Put him oposite Marcus, and taylor we have 3 legit game changers. The draft is very deep with DL and DE, we could still address the line. Maybe he will wear 56! I have been waiting for another 56 so I dont have to hear when are you changing your name anymore

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.

I'm with ya, I don't think on paper this is a bad deal, in fact if we hadn't drafted Rocky it would be a great deal for us. I think everyone's getting all upset over this based on the assumption that Rocky WILL be our starter at wlb. I hope he's ready to be, but as someone said maybe he's a bust, or just hasn't convinced the coaches yet. maybe they see him as a 3rd down LB or to spell both LB spots in some packages?

The other concern is the $. What's the difference between paying the #6 pick & Briggs? Both will get a hefty bonus, but Briggs is a proven commodity.

At #31 we can get a good DE, one that will start. I have reservations about the deal from a team chemistry standpoint more than a talent/value standpoint. As JoeRedskin said, a pro bowl LB & a 1st rnd. pick for a high 1st pick is a good deal. There's more certainty that Briggs will be a top player than the #6 will be. See the recent history of 1st round D-line picks if you disagree.

[Skinny Tee]

The Skins still need a sack threatening DE and that is not something we are going to get with the 31st overall pick of the Bears. The only way we're getting a sack threatening DE is if we stick with our 6th overall.

A. Carter is a sufficent DE in that department but for the off chance that he goes down it would back to the 25 second window of time that other QBs have had every down against us. That has killed us the past two years.

[Beemnseven]

Let's say Smootsmack's theory on Marcus Washington is right, and he's got a nagging problem that bothers the coaches to the point that they need his replacement right away.

Here's what bothers me: It yet again demonstrates this front office's mental block towards the defensive line. Certainly the same argument could be made with regard to Joe Salave'a. He was nicked up all last year, couldn't hold up against the run, and the statistics against the run prove it. But why isn't there the same type of urgency to plan for his replacement? Here we were in prime position at #6 to get an impact player at his position but now, if these reports are true, they're willing to plummet to #31 where it's certain no defensive lineman will be available with any value.

Didn't Joe Gibbs understand how important it was to have a defensive line made up with the likes of Dave Butz, Daryl Grant, Dexter Manley and Charles Mann? What has happened that has taken his focus away from such a vital element to a strong defense?