Gov. Spitzer Linked to Prostitution Ring

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

A woman is humiliated by husband in public manner and clearly in a difficult situation and the commentary from warpathers is (in short form) - she's hot, I'd hit on her, etc.

Perhaps, just perhaps, this is why some of our female members take issue w/ our analysis at times.

I'm just saying....

have we, as a society, become that sensitive, that we cant joke at each other? this sounds like a quote from a media source. Joe, you working for Fox news? and someone else said they really don't feel bad for his wife. she is about a big a victim, as anyone else involved. i don't get the hostility towards her. maybe she is already suffering from the Hilliary complex. people hating on her for trying to save her marriage

[Hog1]

It's just like your mama told you...........to much of a good thing...............will get your ass kicked out of office!

[saden1]

If Spitzer violated the law and if he is found guilty he should be treated like everyone else. The guy betrayed a lot of people's trust and considering he ran on a strong moral platform he is as much of a hypocrite as any politicians regardless of party affliation. My advice to him, don't drop the soap!

[JoeRedskin]

Fair enough. I'm not saying that she is not in some way accountable for her own action or inaction. Rather, I am simply saying that treating her as a physical object - as opposed to debating whether or not she bears some responsibilty for her husband's actions - is perhaps central to assertions by some of the women who post on this site that there is a certain "locker room" mentality by the guys.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Fair enough. I'm not saying that she is not in some way accountable for her own action or inaction. Rather, I am simply saying that treating her as a physical object - as opposed to debating whether or not she bears some responsibilty for her husband's actions - is perhaps central to assertions by some of the women who post on this site that there is a certain "locker room" mentality by the guys.

I agree with you there completely.

[Hijinx]

Okay this is my last post on this thread there are to many dense people who will turn it anyway they want.

1)I never said what he did was not a crime, despite that fact some dim bulbs in here think I did.

2) This is a misdemeanors crime at most. Any federal charges would be a stretch at best. The money laundering would be hard to prove seeing how he wasn't owner of the accounts the money moved to. I can't see a jury conviction on this one. The moving women across state lines thing is a law meant to stop "white" slavery. And has major jail time with it. Can anyone really say the guy deserves 10-12 years for this? Maybe if he killed one of the girls.

3) My original point remains true. This will be blown up and made into a greater deal then it was, because of party politics and media attention.

4)This is one of those "crimes" that doesn't affect anyone else except Spitzer, the hooker, and his family.(but not much more than if he just cheated)

5)Most of this victimless "crime", (ie. prostitution, most drug use, gambling, etc) are only crimes because someone is imposing their morals on someone else. (see prohibition, that worked well, as is the "war on drugs"

6) The fact this guy was a dem, doesn't matter to me I didn't think Larry Craig deserved to lose his job either. But leave to some, who wanted to turn everything I say into ,"your just mad because he is a dem" and make personal insults at me.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Okay this is my last post on this thread there are to many dense people who will turn it anyway they want.

1)I never said what he did was not a crime, despite that fact some dim bulbs in here think I did.

2) This is a misdemeanors crime at most. Any federal charges would be a stretch at best. The money laundering would be hard to prove seeing how he wasn't owner of the accounts the money moved to. I can't see a jury conviction on this one. The moving women across state lines thing is a law meant to stop "white" slavery. And has major jail time with it. Can anyone really say the guy deserves 10-12 years for this? Maybe if he killed one of the girls.

3) My original point remains true. This will be blown up and made into a greater deal then it was, because of party politics and media attention.

4)This is one of those "crimes" that doesn't affect anyone else except Spitzer, the hooker, and his family.(but not much more than if he just cheated)

5)Most of this victimless "crime", (ie. prostitution, most drug use, gambling, etc) are only crimes because someone is imposing their morals on someone else. (see prohibition, that worked well, as is the "war on drugs"

6) The fact this guy was a dem, doesn't matter to me I didn't think Larry Craig deserved to lose his job either. But leave to some, who wanted to turn everything I say into ,"your just mad because he is a dem" and make personal insults at me.

Another attorney with a J.D. from "Law & Order: SVU." How's it working for you?

I frankly don't have the time to address each asinine point by itself, but #5 stands out as the dumbest one here.

Every law is an imposition of morals. Murder and rape are illegal because the majority has decided it's immoral and we won't tolerate it.

Wake up.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Okay this is my last post on this thread there are to many dense people who will turn it anyway they want.

1)I never said what he did was not a crime, despite that fact some dim bulbs in here think I did.

Your earlier quote: "I already said that if he committed a real crime he should receive the max sentence."

To assert he did not commit a "real crime" seems to be me to be an assertion that his actions were in some way not criminal. Sorry, which words that you use should I assign their traditional definition and which should I understand to be Hijinx definitions?

Originally Posted by Hijinx

2) This is a misdemeanors crime at most. Any federal charges would be a stretch at best. The money laundering would be hard to prove seeing how he wasn't owner of the accounts the money moved to. I can't see a jury conviction on this one. The moving women across state lines thing is a law meant to stop "white" slavery. And has major jail time with it. Can anyone really say the guy deserves 10-12 years for this? Maybe if he killed one of the girls.

I'll let the judge and jury decide what he gets. Again, it's that silly rule of law thing. If he is never charged, or if after charges are filed he goes free, more power to him. It does not change the appropriate public ramifications for the admitted misdeeds of a public official.

Originally Posted by Hijinx

3) My original point remains true. This will be blown up and made into a greater deal then it was, because of party politics and media attention.

If party politics and media play a part in this, it is, again, something this particular political person brought upon himself. He played the high moral card in all of his prior elections. As with all those exposed for hypocrisy, political opponents will seize upon the flaws and the public will be particularly unforgiving.

Originally Posted by Hijinx

4)This is one of those "crimes" that doesn't affect anyone else except Spitzer, the hooker, and his family.(but not much more than if he just cheated)

5)Most of this victimless "crime", (ie. prostitution, most drug use, gambling, etc) are only crimes because someone is imposing their morals on someone else. (see prohibition, that worked well, as is the "war on drugs"

These are both the same point. Essentially - victimless crimes do not affect negatively affect the society as a whole. Rather, they are entirely personal. This is a long-running philisophical battle. I am of the mind that there are no entirely "personal" crimes - particularly crimes involving public officials.

Regardless, you may disagree with whether a particular type of conduct should be criminalized, but it is the society as a whole that makes the decision. Your opinion is your opinion and that fine. The law is the law and unless you can convince enough people to "impose" your opinion on the rest of us then law isn't going to change.

Originally Posted by Hijinx

6) The fact this guy was a dem, doesn't matter to me I didn't think Larry Craig deserved to lose his job either. But leave to some, who wanted to turn everything I say into ,"your just mad because he is a dem" and make personal insults at me.

Again, you opinion is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

[djnemo65]

When Reagan left office he left with the highest approval rating since FDR, a number which Bill Clinton would actually top 12 years later. Per Wikipedia "Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating, the highest end-of-presidency rating of any President who came into office after World War II."

[jamf]

Here you go:
Ashley Alexandra Dupre

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jamf

Here you go:
Ashley Alexandra Dupre

Just by taking a look at these pictures, I'd be willing to bet that most married men, or men with girlfriends would like to have a night alone with this girl.

[jamf]

MySpace.com - Ashley Alexandra Dupré - NEW YORK, New York - R&B / Soul / Pop - www.myspace.com/ninavenetta



She doesn't look like Joe Jacoby...

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jamf

MySpace.com - Ashley Alexandra Dupré - NEW YORK, New York - R&B / Soul / Pop - www.myspace.com/ninavenetta



She doesn't look like Joe Jacoby...

She's hot but not 5K hot. I feel sorry for her cause she's the new Monica, a Monica that's too smart to do it for free of course.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by saden1

She's hot but not 5K hot. I feel sorry for her cause she's the new Monica, a Monica that's too smart to do it for free of course.

I guarantee she'll make a killing off of this. A "tell all" book alone would be worth huge amounts of cash. Can you imagine a book about her life and career as a high-dollar hooker and her tryst with the Governor of New York?

That's a cash cow waiting to be milked.

On a different note, I'm not even sure what "$5k/hour hot" would look like. I've had my share of fun, but wouldn't there be an inevitable letdown when the hour(s) are up and you realize you're out $10k +? Maybe why this stuff is best left to the extremely wealthy. Relatively speaking I suppose $5k/hour for them is more like $50/hour for me, which sounds more reasonable.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jamf

MySpace.com - Ashley Alexandra Dupré - NEW YORK, New York - R&B / Soul / Pop - www.myspace.com/ninavenetta



She doesn't look like Joe Jacoby...

Look, all you pervs made her delete her account. Now I cannot look at the rest of her photos.

If you think I am serious then read my sig.