JC is not what I thought part two

GusFrerotte · 12-01-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Right, but this isn't 2002. Clayton/Mason are a very competent WR duo, and the Ravens have a strong, retooled OL.

The Moss-Randle El duo were supposed to be just as lethal as those two are. I don't think a retooled OL alone is going to make JC a great QB and I do not want to wait for another 2-3 seasons for them to retool the OL only to find JC still is inadequate. Evaluate JC the rest of the way then the FO has to make a decision about him and they should open the QB position for competition in the preseason. Either the kid has it or he doesn't. Patrick Ramsey didn't get half the sympathy this kid gets.

prinzeofmoval · 12-01-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, 4th year Campbell is significantly better than Rookie Flacco, but Flacco certainly isn't struggling...I mean he's having the best year of any QB in his division. And I think you have to credit the offense around him for that.

Huh? Mason is no Santana Moss. The running backs have been injured all season and if they weren't they're no Portis. So who in the hell he has for help. Last time i checked Ray Lewis and Reed dont play offense.

GTripp0012 · 12-01-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

Huh? Mason is no Santana Moss. The running backs have been injured all season and if they weren't they're no Portis. So who in the hell he has for help. Last time i checked Ray Lewis and Reed dont play offense.

Mason is more reliable than Santana Moss, and in our ball control offense, he would be more valuable to us. Clayton is the better Moss comparison anyway, as he's just as explosive, but has enjoyed a better season IMO.

MTK · 12-01-2008, 01:43 PM

Big no to McNabb, that makes no sense.

Bubba305-ST21- · 12-01-2008, 02:23 PM

hell no laRon is a young beast and mcnabb is old and is on the downslope

T.O.Killa · 12-01-2008, 03:45 PM

JC is simply not getting it done. He is not finding recievers and he is way to concervative with the ball. He simply can not sustain drives, and is inept in the red zone.

JoeRedskin · 12-01-2008, 04:26 PM

Clearly we need to sign a QB to take JC's place.

Patrick Ramsey is an UFA, we should sign him maybe he'll finally get a chance to show his stuff. Gibran Hamdan is also available, we gave up on him wayyyyy to soon and should pick him up as he is probably ready to blossom.

C'mon guys, can we have just a bit of perspective? How many teams would snap up JC in a heartbeat if they had the chance? More than one or two.

firstdown · 12-01-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Clearly we need to sign a QB to take JC's place.

Patrick Ramsey is an UFA, we should sign him maybe he'll finally get a chance to show his stuff. Gibran Hamdan is also available, we gave up on him wayyyyy to soon and should pick him up as he is probably ready to blossom.

C'mon guys, can we have just a bit of perspective? How many teams would snap up JC in a heartbeat if they had the chance? More than one or two.

Not sure I would want to play for any of those teams that would snatch him up in a heartbeat. I have not given up on JC but his time to prove his ability is getting shorter.

dmvskinzfan08 · 12-02-2008, 02:04 AM

Its a combination of things. For one when receviers are getting open its when people blitz us and then the o-line is not protecting us. When they dont blitz no one can get open. The o-line sucks. The D is to blame for a lot of this too. The Giants went right down the field with ease on their first drive. At this point the whole team stinks. I see no bright spots. So dont blame it all on JC. Plus CP is still hurt and teams double Moss and then we have nothing but the underneath stuff because the other receivers aren't getting open. My only real complaint about JC is he needs to throw a better deep ball. So he puts it infront of the receivers so only they can get it or its too long. He has under thrown a few passes this year.

T.O.Killa · 12-01-2008, 04:36 PM

I want JC to suceed just as much as anyone, but I think he is just not good enough to lead us to a Superbowl. He just does not win games. At this point, he is a veteran. Joe Gibbs gave up two 1st rounders for him, and he has not produced. We have the weapons(Moss, Cooley, and Randel El), we have the running game, now its time we decide if we have a quarterback.

SUNRA · 12-01-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I want JC to suceed just as much as anyone, but I think he is just not good enough to lead us to a Superbowl. He just does not win games. At this point, he is a veteran. Joe Gibbs gave up two 1st rounders for him, and he has not produced. We have the weapons(Moss, Cooley, and Randel El), we have the running game, now its time we decide if we have a quarterback.

I was at the game. What I noticed right off of the back was that JC didn't go through his progressions and never returned to the open receiver which on most occassions was Randle El. On several plays, Randle El was waving his hands signaling JC to throw the ball. Cooley was opened on several occassions too. It is frustrating to watch a team with so many weapons and have a QB struggle to get the ball to them. Malcolm Kelly was also overlooked on several plays. I have come to the conclusion that JC has become contempt with throwing the short ball and doesn't want to throw and INT even when it seems WRS are bigger than their defender.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 12-01-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

I was at the game. What I noticed right off of the back was that JC didn't go through his progressions and never returned to the open receiver which on most occassions was Randle El. On several plays, Randle El was waving his hands signaling JC to throw the ball. Cooley was opened on several occassions too. It is frustrating to watch a team with so many weapons and have a QB struggle to get the ball to them. Malcolm Kelly was also overlooked on several plays. I have come to the conclusion that JC has become contempt with throwing the short ball and doesn't want to throw and INT even when it seems WRS are bigger than their defender.

Dude, if you can see whether a QB goes through his progressions from the stands, you have magical powers. I can hardly make out whether JC is going through progressions on television.

CRedskinsRule · 12-01-2008, 04:40 PM

One thought I have about JC, last year before his injury, I can think of several games where I thought he had cost us the game (i believe it was Dallas he threw a late int on). This year he is successfully (7 wins ) managing the games and absolutely not actively costing us any with a critically timed INT or Fumble. So I would say he has progressed in that way.

Bubba305-ST21- · 12-01-2008, 04:45 PM

JC is a good quarterback. If the guy gets time back there, he has shown he can get it done, and how many dropped passes did we see yesterday or JC running for his life once again. Get off the guys back!!

charlielyons · 12-01-2008, 05:17 PM

i like JC but i dont know if hes the answer....we are almost out of playoff contention. one more loss and the season is done..im then all for bringing in brennan to see what he can do....less we forget campbell had a losing record last year. coliins led us to the playoffs.

12-01-2008, 01:43 PM	#4
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,121	Re: JC is not what I thought part two Big no to McNabb, that makes no sense. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-01-2008, 02:23 PM	#5
Bubba305-ST21- Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 38 Posts: 683	Re: JC is not what I thought part two hell no laRon is a young beast and mcnabb is old and is on the downslope __________________ never another.....R.I.P. Sean T #21

12-01-2008, 03:45 PM	#6
T.O.Killa The Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 2,061	Re: JC is not what I thought part two JC is simply not getting it done. He is not finding recievers and he is way to concervative with the ball. He simply can not sustain drives, and is inept in the red zone.

12-01-2008, 04:26 PM	#7
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 63 Posts: 10,401	Re: JC is not what I thought part two Clearly we need to sign a QB to take JC's place. Patrick Ramsey is an UFA, we should sign him maybe he'll finally get a chance to show his stuff. Gibran Hamdan is also available, we gave up on him wayyyyy to soon and should pick him up as he is probably ready to blossom. C'mon guys, can we have just a bit of perspective? How many teams would snap up JC in a heartbeat if they had the chance? More than one or two. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

12-02-2008, 02:04 AM	#9
dmvskinzfan08 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 968	Re: JC is not what I thought part two Its a combination of things. For one when receviers are getting open its when people blitz us and then the o-line is not protecting us. When they dont blitz no one can get open. The o-line sucks. The D is to blame for a lot of this too. The Giants went right down the field with ease on their first drive. At this point the whole team stinks. I see no bright spots. So dont blame it all on JC. Plus CP is still hurt and teams double Moss and then we have nothing but the underneath stuff because the other receivers aren't getting open. My only real complaint about JC is he needs to throw a better deep ball. So he puts it infront of the receivers so only they can get it or its too long. He has under thrown a few passes this year. __________________ HTTR 09 - RIP#21 HATERS << Misery Loves Company

12-01-2008, 04:36 PM	#10
T.O.Killa The Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 2,061	Re: JC is not what I thought part two I want JC to suceed just as much as anyone, but I think he is just not good enough to lead us to a Superbowl. He just does not win games. At this point, he is a veteran. Joe Gibbs gave up two 1st rounders for him, and he has not produced. We have the weapons(Moss, Cooley, and Randel El), we have the running game, now its time we decide if we have a quarterback.

12-01-2008, 04:40 PM	#13
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 59 Posts: 21,745	Re: JC is not what I thought part two One thought I have about JC, last year before his injury, I can think of several games where I thought he had cost us the game (i believe it was Dallas he threw a late int on). This year he is successfully (7 wins ) managing the games and absolutely not actively costing us any with a critically timed INT or Fumble. So I would say he has progressed in that way.

12-01-2008, 04:45 PM	#14
Bubba305-ST21- Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 38 Posts: 683	Re: JC is not what I thought part two JC is a good quarterback. If the guy gets time back there, he has shown he can get it done, and how many dropped passes did we see yesterday or JC running for his life once again. Get off the guys back!! __________________ never another.....R.I.P. Sean T #21

12-01-2008, 05:17 PM	#15
charlielyons Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 394	Re: JC is not what I thought part two i like JC but i dont know if hes the answer....we are almost out of playoff contention. one more loss and the season is done..im then all for bringing in brennan to see what he can do....less we forget campbell had a losing record last year. coliins led us to the playoffs.

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