Will Jason Campbell return?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

Which brings me to my next point....

Jason better dig down and find something deep within himself to improve upon. Because i wouldn't count on Derrick Dockery shoring up all of our OL problems. And i certainly wouldnt count on Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly taking a step forward. They may..but i wouldn't count on it. Not if my job depended on it.

So what if the OL struggles this year and Thomas/Kelly don't step up.....do we fire the QB too? JC isn't Colt Brennan, who can block for himself and catch his own passes.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

So what if the OL struggles this year and Thomas/Kelly don't step up.....do we fire the QB too? JC isn't Colt Brennan, who can block for himself and catch his own passes.

We will let him go without resigning him because without those tools, he will not improve.

Nice Colt name drop. Colt is the best thing since sliced bread and the west coast offense.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

Which brings me to my next point....

Jason better dig down and find something deep within himself to improve upon. Because i wouldn't count on Derrick Dockery shoring up all of our OL problems. And i certainly wouldnt count on Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly taking a step forward. They may..but i wouldn't count on it. Not if my job depended on it.

You've got to be extremely cynical or clueless not to improve improvement from Thomas, Davis and Kelly. We've heard nothing but glowing reports and excitement from everyone surrounding the team about their offseasons. People need a reality check regarding expectations of rookie players and giving up on them so easily. It's madness around here.

[Monksdown]

Read the entire comment. The OL is more detrimental than the receivers. And no, i don't think the injury prone receivers we drafted in last year's 2nd round are going to be so successfull that Jason is going to improve with them.

And why don't you temper your expectations when all of your sources are on the 'skins payroll.

[nephron22]

Enough is enough!! As of now JC is our QB- we don't have an heir-apparent. The receivers and O-line must step up to help him to the next level. If we don't show him some love of course he"ll bolt.
Last year's numbers were not bad given his deteriorating o-line and receiver situation as the year progressed. We need to show him there's a promising future here.

[irish]

Originally Posted by nephron22

Enough is enough!! As of now JC is our QB- we don't have an heir-apparent. The receivers and O-line must step up to help him to the next level. If we don't show him some love of course he"ll bolt.
Last year's numbers were not bad given his deteriorating o-line and receiver situation as the year progressed. We need to show him there's a promising future here.

I agree, JC is the QB because there is no other option. He needs everyone around him on O to be their absolute best and he will improve. Will that happen, we will see. That said I think a great QB can overcome a lot of deficiencies on O and still get him team to win. Look at Big Ben, he had a terrible O line and no running game yet he got the Steelers to win the Super Bowl. JC will never be that kind of QB but if the Skins can assemble a very good cast around him I think they can succeed.

[Monksdown]

13 td's as a career high in a year. Last year he didn't throw for more than 2 td's once. He's been in the league 5 years. He's been a starter for 2.5 of those years. Half his career is over before he ever even took that big step forward. He's taken little steps, every year. His TD curve will have him throwing 25 td's when he's 33.

He's thrown for more than 2 td's in a game once, against the Eagles 2 years ago. And in 36 total games, he's thrown more int's than td's in 9 games. That's 25% of his starts girls.

At best, he's turning into a solid game manager. With his int's per game going down. One grain of salt in that statistic, could the first 8 games of last year been an anomaly. In my opinion, that's two significant a portion of his total games played to be the case. So, he's a game manager. And one last positive to support that concept. His qb rating continues to improve with games.

Bottom line, he's a first round draft pick that's probably turning into Trent Dilfer.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

13 td's as a career high in a year. Last year he didn't throw for more than 2 td's once. He's been in the league 5 years. He's been a starter for 2.5 of those years. Half his career is over before he ever even took that big step forward. He's taken little steps, every year. His TD curve will have him throwing 25 td's when he's 33.

He's thrown for more than 2 td's in a game once, against the Eagles 2 years ago. And in 36 total games, he's thrown more int's than td's in 9 games. That's 25% of his starts girls.

At best, he's turning into a solid game manager. With his int's per game going down. One grain of salt in that statistic, could the first 8 games of last year been an anomaly. In my opinion, that's two significant a portion of his total games played to be the case. So, he's a game manager. And one last positive to support that concept. His qb rating continues to improve with games.

Bottom line, he's a first round draft pick that's probably turning into Trent Dilfer.

True, but let's not underestimate the importance of game management. Campbell isn't losing games for us at this point, which is what a lot of back-ups do when they're thrust in because of a QB controversey. Until the Skins can draft and develop a better QB, a process that will take a number of years, I think we need to rely on JC as our QB; we've simply invested too much in him and he's shown the temerity necessary to play in a demanding market like DC.

Frankly I'd take JC over any QB that another team is desperately trying to get rid of (ie Cutler). JC doesn't carry baggage, and that's a beautiful thing.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

13 td's as a career high in a year. Last year he didn't throw for more than 2 td's once. He's been in the league 5 years. He's been a starter for 2.5 of those years. Half his career is over before he ever even took that big step forward. He's taken little steps, every year. His TD curve will have him throwing 25 td's when he's 33.

He's thrown for more than 2 td's in a game once, against the Eagles 2 years ago. And in 36 total games, he's thrown more int's than td's in 9 games. That's 25% of his starts girls.

At best, he's turning into a solid game manager. With his int's per game going down. One grain of salt in that statistic, could the first 8 games of last year been an anomaly. In my opinion, that's two significant a portion of his total games played to be the case. So, he's a game manager. And one last positive to support that concept. His qb rating continues to improve with games.

Bottom line, he's a first round draft pick that's probably turning into Trent Dilfer.

That would be Super Bowl winning QB Trent Dilfer to you. Ultimate 'game manager', great defense, solid running game..

Look, there's nobody that can legitimately tell you that Campbell has lived up to all of the hopes and dreams of Redskins fans from a first round draft pick QB but the legions of fans who have given up on a QB that has less than 40 starts and has continually improved his game is ridiculous.

Call them excuses if you want to but to expect lights out performances from someone who's had 7 systems in 8 years, multiple QB coaches tinkering with his mechanics to fit their system not to mention our less than stellar receiving group then of course you're going to be disappointed. What he's endured in his first few years in the league is unprecedented.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

That would be Super Bowl winning QB Trent Dilfer to you. Ultimate 'game manager', great defense, solid running game..

Look, there's nobody that can legitimately tell you that Campbell has lived up to all of the hopes and dreams of Redskins fans from a first round draft pick QB but the legions of fans who have given up on a QB that has less than 40 starts and has continually improved his game is ridiculous.

Call them excuses if you want to but to expect lights out performances from someone who's had 7 systems in 8 years, multiple QB coaches tinkering with his mechanics to fit their system not to mention our less than stellar receiving group then of course you're going to be disappointed. What he's endured in his first few years in the league is unprecedented.

Those excuses are awful. And in hindsight in 5 years, you'll remember those excuses as the sugar coating justification you played with during this failed quarterback project. And why not, everyone else is selling themselves on the lack of data too. You shouldn't feel alone.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

13 td's as a career high in a year. Last year he didn't throw for more than 2 td's once. He's been in the league 5 years. He's been a starter for 2.5 of those years. Half his career is over before he ever even took that big step forward. He's taken little steps, every year. His TD curve will have him throwing 25 td's when he's 33.

He's thrown for more than 2 td's in a game once, against the Eagles 2 years ago. And in 36 total games, he's thrown more int's than td's in 9 games. That's 25% of his starts girls.

At best, he's turning into a solid game manager. With his int's per game going down. One grain of salt in that statistic, could the first 8 games of last year been an anomaly. In my opinion, that's two significant a portion of his total games played to be the case. So, he's a game manager. And one last positive to support that concept. His qb rating continues to improve with games.

Bottom line, he's a first round draft pick that's probably turning into Trent Dilfer.

Just using your (random) metrics:

In his first 36 starts he threw for more than 2 tds in a game three times. In those 36 games he threw more ints than tds twelve times. That's 33% of his starts ladies! At best he's a 1st round pick who is turning into .... Ben Roethlisberger.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Just using your (random) metrics:

In his first 36 starts he threw for more than 2 tds in a game three times. In those 36 games he threw more ints than tds twelve times. That's 33% of his starts ladies! At best he's a 1st round pick who is turning into .... Ben Roethlisberger.

incorrect.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by irish

i agree, jc is the qb because there is no other option. He needs everyone around him on o to be their absolute best and he will improve. Will that happen, we will see. That said i think a great qb can overcome a lot of deficiencies on o and still get him team to win. Look at big ben, he had a terrible o line and no running game yet he got the steelers to win the super bowl. Jc will never be that kind of qb but if the skins can assemble a very good cast around him i think they can succeed.

469 281 3301 59.9 7.0 17 3.6 15 3.2 65 46 284 80.1
506 315 3245 62.3 6.4 13 2.6 6 1.2 67 38 266 84.3

[irish]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

469 281 3301 59.9 7.0 17 3.6 15 3.2 65 46 284 80.1
506 315 3245 62.3 6.4 13 2.6 6 1.2 67 38 266 84.3

What does all that mean? I assume its each players numbers from last season. These numbers are nice but the only thing that really matters is that one QB lead his team to a SB win while the other hasnt won anything in his 5 years in the league.

I agree with the other post, if JC was a 3rd rounder I dont think we'd be having this conversation but he wasnt. Whether its his fault or not its his reality. I think the best we can hope for with JC is that he does become a decent game manager because he will never be a game changer.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

What does all that mean? I assume its each players numbers from last season. These numbers are nice but the only thing that really matters is that one QB lead his team to a SB win while the other hasnt won anything in his 5 years in the league.

I think it says that the gap between SB Winning QB Roethlisberger and 8-8 QB Jason Campbell is much smaller than some think.