Vinny tips his hand on the final 53

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I have a gut feeling that one of these four guys is going to get cut-Yoder, Sellers, Rock, Betts

I'm not advocating it, just a gut feeling.

I'll throw in Scott Burely and Doug Dutch just to feel more secure in my gut feeling

I would not be surprised to see Yoder go. Didn't Agnone(sp) have a decent camp?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I have a gut feeling that one of these four guys is going to get cut-Yoder, Sellers, Rock, Betts

I'm not advocating it, just a gut feeling.

I'll throw in Scott Burely and Doug Dutch just to feel more secure in my gut feeling

I'm still not sure what Yoder has ever done well, personally. I know he catches the occasional TD pass, but he just seems like a liability whenever he's on the field, and that includes special teams. On plays where he doesn't get called for holding, he usually ends the play on the ground somewhere.

He does seem to be a very likable guy though, and I guess sometimes, that's really all you ask for from your third TE.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I have a gut feeling that one of these four guys is going to get cut-Yoder, Sellers, Rock, Betts

I'm not advocating it, just a gut feeling.

I'll throw in Scott Burely and Doug Dutch just to feel more secure in my gut feeling

There is zero GD chance Sellers is getting cut. Same for Betts. They don't award him the 3rd down spot for hard work and approach and then cut his ass for no reason. That would be down right sh*tty of them.

Now Yoder and Rock...who knows.

[MTK]

Yoder wouldn't be a shock, especially if they are keeping 2 TE's in order to keep a 5th back. Sellers can play some TE too so I don't think losing a 3rd TE is that big of a deal.

[Schneed10]

DMV, just to warn you, you've stepped into a debate with probably the smartest guy on the site (GTripp), someone who is willing to debate till he's blue in the face (CRedskins), and easily the biggest asshole on the site (me).

Fair warning.

You've done nothing but make yourself look foolish here. You claimed that Rock's stats were terrible, I showed you that he is consistently among the best in kick returns, using incontrovertible facts. Then you dismiss statistics as dorky and irrelevant.

You've then indirectly compared Marcus Mason to Joshua Cribbs and Darren Sproles by suggesting that we choose between Rock and those elite return men. Needless to say this is idiotic, because those are Browns and Chargers, not Redskins. We are debating Mason vs Rock, not Rock vs the league.

Concurrent to this absurd analysis of yours, you continue to dismiss punt and kick coverage skills as a matter of importance. You also fail to answer my call to explain what skill set Mason adds to the team that does not already exist on the roster. So in addition to looking foolish, you appear to have little to no understanding of the NFL.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

DMV, just to warn you, you've stepped into a debate with probably the smartest guy on the site (GTripp), someone who is willing to debate till he's blue in the face (CRedskins), and easily the biggest asshole on the site (me).

Fair warning.

You've done nothing but make yourself look foolish here. You claimed that Rock's stats were terrible, I showed you that he is consistently among the best in kick returns, using incontrovertible facts. Then you dismiss statistics as dorky and irrelevant.

You've then indirectly compared Marcus Mason to Joshua Cribbs and Darren Sproles by suggesting that we choose between Rock and those elite return men. Needless to say this is idiotic, because those are Browns and Chargers, not Redskins. We are debating Mason vs Rock, not Rock vs the league.

Concurrent to this absurd analysis of yours, you continue to dismiss punt and kick coverage skills as a matter of importance. You also fail to answer my call to explain what skill set Mason adds to the team that does not already exist on the roster. So in addition to looking foolish, you appear to have little to no understanding of the NFL.

Umm first your foolish. because your really not that intelligent. Posting stats is not intelligence and I did not say they were irrelevant. I said, "STATS ARE IMPORTANT BUT NOT THE ONLY FACTOR" (sorry for the caps. I have to do this for the illiterate). Can you read that.

The comparison to Cribbs, Hester was to make a point. Just because you are 6th on the stats list doesn't mean you are the best player there ( I think Hester was 28th and Cribbs might have been 12th) as far as talent an potential. If you think Rock is better than Cribbs or Hester your a intelligence is questionable. That what the comparison was related to stats. If you think thomas couldn't take his place your not very smart either.

Dude are you drinking? I didn't say his stats were terrible. Please post where I said that. I just told you to post the stats. Like I couldn't go to NFL.com and get the stats myself or if I didn't know. Just wanted you to show that you just like to argue and that the only way you can do that is with stats not intelligent debate. You are putting words in my mouth. I think you are so self righteous you dont even bother to read other comments.

As far as the dorky comments. If the only thing you can do is post stats and say Rock is a good tackler on special teams. Yeah you are a dork. Because if Thomas, Moss or Betts had his return attempts I dont think they would do worse than him. Moss and Thomas I would put money on would do better. So to fabricate things..really does make you an ass and look like as dork.

I am not dismissing punt and kick coverage skills. But our ST suck. Another thing Rock doesn't make all the tackles every play.

Rock is almost 30 yrs old. He only plays one unit on the team. Hester plays WR and Cribbs does also. That was my comparison. Not that they are on our team. How did you pull that out your ass with your head fitting so snug. If we can keep him and keep another RB (whether Mason, Aldridge or Dorsey) it might be acceptable. If not he needs to be cut.

As far as your warning. Who gives a flying ___!!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Umm first your foolish. because your really not taht intelligent. Posting stats is not intelligence and I did not say they were irrelevant. I said, "STATS ARE IMPORTANT BUT NOT THE ONLY FACTOR" (sorry for the caps. I have to do this for the illiterate). Can you read that.

The comparison to Cribbs, Hester was to make a point. Just because you are 6th on the stats list doesn't mean you are the best player there ( I think Hester was 28th and Cribbs might have been 12th) is as far as talent an potential. If you think Rock is better than Cribbs or Hester your a crack head. That what the comparison was related to stats

Dude are you drinking. I didn't say his stats were terrible. Please post where I said that. I just told you to post the stats. Liek I couldn't go to NFL.com and get the stats myself or if I didn't know. Just wanted you to show that you jsut like to argue and that the only way you can do that is with stats not intelligent debate. You are putting words in my mouth. I think you are so self righteous you dont even bother to read other comments.

As far as the dorky comments. If the only thing you can do is post stats and say Rock is a good tackler on special teams. Yeah you are a dork. Because if Thomas, Moss or Betts had his return attempts I dont think they would do worse than him. Moss and Thomas I would put money on would do better. So to fabricate things..really does make you an ass and look like as dork.

I am not dismissing punt and kick coverage skills. But our ST suck. Another thing Rock doesn't make all the tackles every play.

Further more if I had a pocket full of f---s. I wouldn't give you one..

*Concurrent to this absurd analysis of yours - OOO someone got a dictionary. lol. Your so smart!!!

Dude we are on a football board not a tech geek forum. I could use "big words" all day. But that doesn't prove your intelligence. Just makes you look like a dork.

Betts was our kick returner, and he didn't do as well as Rock. He wasn't a bad KR though, and could probably be adequately forced into duty again.

People who take your attitude towards things tend not to last very long on here. It's not like they usually get banned, they just tend to find that no one really likes to engage them and then they stop showing up on the boards. The thing you haven't gotten yet, but you will, is that not everyone in this thread has yet to prove themselves as a valuable member of this community of diverse opinions, but you do fall into that category.

In other words, coming from someone else, maybe the notion that we could do without Rock would be met with more respect. Is that fair? Probably not. But when you are met with people who disagree strongly with your idea, by responding the way you have, all you are doing is confirming what they originally thought about you. Maybe that's not right, but the more you write, the more we know about you. That's not always a good thing.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Betts was our kick returner, and he didn't do as well as Rock. He wasn't a bad KR though, and could probably be adequately forced into duty again.

People who take your attitude towards things tend not to last very long on here. It's not like they usually get banned, they just tend to find that no one really likes to engage them and then they stop showing up on the boards. The thing you haven't gotten yet, but you will, is that not everyone in this thread has yet to prove themselves as a valuable member of this community of diverse opinions, but you do fall into that category.

In other words, coming from someone else, maybe the notion that we could do without Rock would be met with more respect. Is that fair? Probably not. But when you are met with people who disagree strongly with your idea, by responding the way you have, all you are doing is confirming what they originally thought about you. Maybe that's not right, but the more you write, the more we know about you. That's not always a good thing.

Pretty well said.

DMV, the self-contradicting points you are making are further undermining your credibility here at the Warpath. I doubt anyone is taking you seriously at this point, I certainly am not.

I'd rather discuss something intelligently with someone capable of doing so. Peace out, I'm done with you.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Pretty well said.

DMV, the self-contradicting points you are making are further undermining your credibility here at the Warpath. I doubt anyone is taking you seriously at this point, I certainly am not.

I'd rather discuss something intelligently with someone capable of doing so. Peace out, I'm done with you.

What was self contradicting? No I basically see it as you and your two cronies as being self assigned elder statesman of the board. You all gang up on people and try to make their opinion invalid. Its a opinion not fact. If everyone had the same opinions. What would we have to talk about on this board??? I also see you all are also doing this to other people on this board. Who cares if you take me seriously dude? I am beginning to really think you are a dork. Because this board is your home. I post my thoughts and opinions. Because I want to. Not for you only. This is the US. I can say what the f--k I want and for you to insult my intelligence because you can't comprehend or agree with what I am saying makes you an asshole. You probably voted for Bush both times didn't you. You probably think the WMD's are still out there. Dude I could care less what you think. Your gum under my shoe. Better yet crap under my shoe.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Pretty well said.

DMV, the self-contradicting points you are making are further undermining your credibility here at the Warpath. I doubt anyone is taking you seriously at this point, I certainly am not.

I'd rather discuss something intelligently with someone capable of doing so. Peace out, I'm done with you.

Heard from Redskins Insider - Your daily source for news and commentary on the Washington Redskins, by Jason Reid that Mason made the team.

Let's hope that Rock makes it too before we all pronounce the world is going to end. LOL

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

DMV, just to warn you, you've stepped into a debate with probably the smartest guy on the site (GTripp), someone who is willing to debate till he's blue in the face (CRedskins), and easily the biggest asshole on the site (me).

Fair warning.

You've done nothing but make yourself look foolish here. You claimed that Rock's stats were terrible, I showed you that he is consistently among the best in kick returns, using incontrovertible facts. Then you dismiss statistics as dorky and irrelevant.

You've then indirectly compared Marcus Mason to Joshua Cribbs and Darren Sproles by suggesting that we choose between Rock and those elite return men. Needless to say this is idiotic, because those are Browns and Chargers, not Redskins. We are debating Mason vs Rock, not Rock vs the league.

Concurrent to this absurd analysis of yours, you continue to dismiss punt and kick coverage skills as a matter of importance. You also fail to answer my call to explain what skill set Mason adds to the team that does not already exist on the roster. So in addition to looking foolish, you appear to have little to no understanding of the NFL.

I am by no means in league with DMV, however your stats only proved he was the #6 in total yrds as a KR from ESPN. I agree cause I can't argue against that fact he had so many yrds. Probably cause other teams scored so much either with TD's or Field Goals. but I pointed out that he was like #23 on the list of all the KRers last yr with like 25 yrds per carry. Being #23 is not bad but it's not top 10 either.

Now take a moment and look at his Rushing yrds. I mean if he's going to be listed as a RB then lets look at his RB stats. He's way, way, way, down the page. I think JC had more yrds Rushing. I guess that's cause he sucks right? wrong. If he's not being utilized as a RB then it's unfair to compare his stats. No different then Mason who has not been utilized this preseason cause they are looking at Alridge, Dorsey, and Thomas.

but....I'll repeat what I wrote earlier, why does the RB have to be the KR? I mean if Thomas has another great showing like he did last game then why couldn't the KR be a WR. Thus eliminating the whole Rock issue all together. Maybe that's what Cerrato was eluding to. If Thomas has a good showing then he can be the KR/WR cause I think we all agree Kelly has surpassed him and Mitchell I think looks better also. Then the team can let Rock go and keep Mason and Alridge. That would be Portis, Betts, Mason, Alridge and Sellers. 5.

Not that it will or won't happen just throwing it out there.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I am by no means in league with DMV, however your stats only proved he was the #6 in total yrds as a KR from ESPN. I agree cause I can't argue against that fact he had so many yrds. Probably cause other teams scored so much either with TD's or Field Goals. but I pointed out that he was like #23 on the list of all the KRers last yr with like 25 yrds per carry. Being #23 is not bad but it's not top 10 either.

Now take a moment and look at his Rushing yrds. I mean if he's going to be listed as a RB then lets look at his RB stats. He's way, way, way, down the page. I think JC had more yrds Rushing. I guess that's cause he sucks right? wrong. If he's not being utilized as a RB then it's unfair to compare his stats. No different then Mason who has not been utilized this preseason cause they are looking at Alridge, Dorsey, and Thomas.

but....I'll repeat what I wrote earlier, why does the RB have to be the KR? I mean if Thomas has another great showing like he did last game then why couldn't the KR be a WR. Thus eliminating the whole Rock issue all together. Maybe that's what Cerrato was eluding to. If Thomas has a good showing then he can be the KR/WR cause I think we all agree Kelly has surpassed him and Mitchell I think looks better also. Then the team can let Rock go and keep Mason and Alridge. That would be Portis, Betts, Mason, Alridge and Sellers. 5.

Not that it will or won't happen just throwing it out there.

No no. We can't let Rock go. our team will fall apart and our ST will not be best in the league and we wont have anyone to back up Portis or Betts if on of them gets injured no way. Our team would just go under. We can't possibly do that. Rock can't be replaced. [end sarcasm]

This is the point I am trying to make. I am by now means trying to put you near the targets that's on my back. I think we have gotten use to mediocrity and for us to move forward some times we have to take risks and shakes things up.

I totally agree with your statement above. Does anyone realize what happened last year when Portis and Betts went down or am I just dreaming this? We signed TTB when we had a RB on our roster. At that point was returking kicks more important than filling in for our injured 1st and 2nd RB or either spelling one of them when the other was hurt? Dag that says it all. Some people are so smart they don't have common sense and are loyal to a fault. This is a business. Not popularity contest. I want to win. If we had a decent back last year when Betts & Portis got hurt. Our season might have turned a little different. Like I said where was Rock. Oh returning kicks to the 30...but I am a half wit..what the f ever!!

[FRPLG]

I am going to reiterate something from earlier in this thread.

I am damn glad our biggest concerns right now involve our 3rd string RB.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am going to reiterate something from earlier in this thread.

I am damn glad our biggest concerns right now involve our 3rd string RB.

Agreed, I said the same thing earlier too. Which is why I find this whole discussion amusing

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am going to reiterate something from earlier in this thread.

I am damn glad our biggest concerns right now involve our 3rd string RB.

I wouldn't say that, I'm quite worried about our starting secondary. I think we'll miss Springs a lot more than we think.

Without a healthy Carlos Rogers we'll have Justin Tryon playing a pretty important nickel role, which I'm absolutely not comfortable with.