Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Hog1]

if you cannot call a run on 3rd and one, you don't have a running game

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

if you cannot call a run on 3rd and one, you don't have a running game

Exactly. I don't know why people keep talking about Zorn abandoned the running game. We don't have one. Period. We don't have the horses up front or in the backfield any longer. Portis isn't getting it done. The offensive isn't getting done.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Exactly. I don't know why people keep talking about Zorn abandoned the running game. We don't have one. Period. We don't have the horses up front or in the backfield any longer. Portis isn't getting it done. The offensive isn't getting done.

ZERO rushing yards in the 1st half.........enough said.

[CultBrennan59]

50 % of the reason our offense sucks is zorns play calling
the other 50% is jason campbell

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

50 % of the reason our offense sucks is zorns play calling
the other 50% is jason campbell

And 50% is that we don't have anyone else on the field apparently.

I know that equals 150%, but I guess that is what it takes to cover all your bases.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

50 % of the reason our offense sucks is zorns play calling
the other 50% is jason campbell

This is an asinine statement. I guess our #1 RB being ineffective and our #2 getting tired quickly isn't an offensive problem? How about receivers dropping passes or their inability to separate?

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

This is an asinine statement. I guess our #1 RB being ineffective and our #2 getting tired quickly isn't an offensive problem? How about receivers dropping passes or their inability to separate?

Our strength is our running game, so when teams stack 8 in the box, that forces you to pass. The person who passes the ball...the QB!!
Sure the receivers have dropped a few, but a lot of campbells passes have been off target, and theres a reason Zorn doesn't have a lot of faith in campbell. And I agree betts should be cut, but really its the crappy play calling. And JC decision making has been awful. Example: 3 & 8, jason throws it to cooley on a short 5 yd route, and they come up 1 yd short. He doesn't throw to a receiver running downfield or towards the 1st down marker, he throws to a receiver running back to him. Just like when he was in the 2 min drill against detroit, he throws it to cartwright for a gain, then the clocks ticking, and what does he do? throws it to cartwright AGAIN in the middle of the field for a 2 yard gain. he should have thrown it towards the endzone or away. It's little things like that which make me say "He is not the answer" I've seen enough to say that year 2 in this offense is no different that year 1 in this offense. If campbell is struggling against detroit and st. louis, then how do you think he's going to do against philly, san diego, atlanta, carolina, new orleans, etc.?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Our strength is our running game, so when teams stack 8 in the box, that forces you to pass. The person who passes the ball...the QB!!
Sure the receivers have dropped a few, but a lot of campbells passes have been off target, and theres a reason Zorn doesn't have a lot of faith in campbell. And I agree betts should be cut, but really its the crappy play calling. And JC decision making has been awful. Example: 3 & 8, jason throws it to cooley on a short 5 yd route, and they come up 1 yd short. He doesn't throw to a receiver running downfield or towards the 1st down marker, he throws to a receiver running back to him. Just like when he was in the 2 min drill against detroit, he throws it to cartwright for a gain, then the clocks ticking, and what does he do? throws it to cartwright AGAIN in the middle of the field for a 2 yard gain. he should have thrown it towards the endzone or away. It's little things like that which make me say "He is not the answer" I've seen enough to say that year 2 in this offense is no different that year 1 in this offense. If campbell is struggling against detroit and st. louis, then how do you think he's going to do against philly, san diego, atlanta, carolina, new orleans, etc.?

But it's not like anyone is playing a lot of 8 in the box against us. When the safety comes up, we could check out of the running plays we do call, but then we are talking about Portis averaging 5 carries a game. He wouldn't accept that.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Our strength is our running game, so when teams stack 8 in the box, that forces you to pass.

This was the case last year......not this year. We are a better passing team now, we cant run the ball with this O-line. Everyone knows that we are going left, its not gonna get better anytime soon either.

[CultBrennan59]

I'll also go out on a limb here and say this.
Zorn gets fired and Mike shannanhan is our new HC. Campbell doesn't get resigned and goes to minnesota. We get a draft pick in the top ten. We do what ever we can to get sam bradford. Our OL next year will be. Donald Penn (of Tampa bay) at LT, Derrick Dockery LG, Draft pick at C (Mike Pouncey of Florida), Jahri Evans (of New Orleans) RG, Stephon Heyer at RT (or Samuels if we keep him). Our DL will be Orakpo at RE, Griffin, haynesworth, Jarmon at LE. Our LB's will be mcintosh, fletcher, and either a draft pick, or a FA. Our corners will be one of the crappy ones now, and a FA like dunta robinson. And I say that Shannahan asks for a new GM, and Vinny gets positioned down from GM, to like a smaller position.
I'm a very optimistic person, but I just see no way we win games with an offense that can't score in the red zone. Our defense is OK, they could be better if the offense stays on the field longer. I'm not as confident saying this, but I think LaRon could be trade bate for a high draft pick. And I forgot to mention that Greg Blache will either Resign or be fired.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'll also go out on a limb here and say this.
Zorn gets fired and Mike shannanhan is our new HC. Campbell doesn't get resigned and goes to minnesota. We get a draft pick in the top ten. We do what ever we can to get sam bradford. Our OL next year will be. Donald Penn (of Tampa bay) at LT, Derrick Dockery LG, Draft pick at C (Mike Pouncey of Florida), Jahri Evans (of New Orleans) RG, Stephon Heyer at RT (or Samuels if we keep him). Our DL will be Orakpo at RE, Griffin, haynesworth, Jarmon at LE. Our LB's will be mcintosh, fletcher, and either a draft pick, or a FA. Our corners will be one of the crappy ones now, and a FA like dunta robinson. And I say that Shannahan asks for a new GM, and Vinny gets positioned down from GM, to like a smaller position.
I'm a very optimistic person, but I just see no way we win games with an offense that can't score in the red zone. Our defense is OK, they could be better if the offense stays on the field longer. I'm not as confident saying this, but I think LaRon could be trade bate for a high draft pick. And I forgot to mention that Greg Blache will either Resign or be fired.

Wow you went out on a limb for these statements: Are you in a high profile position or something where your reputation may take a hit if your wrong?

[GTripp0012]

I think, a true rebuilding process would simply be: a decision on Hall, a decision on Landry, no more Smoot, a move away from Daniels and Wynn, releasing Randy Thomas outright, releasing Betts, a decision on Rabach, a franchise tag on Rogers, an RFA tender to Jason Campbell (assuming no CBA extension), a RFA tender to Rocky Mac, and I would trade up into the bottom of the second round AFTER using both of my first two picks and add some competition at the quarterback position.

If it's a true rebuilding project, I would not be afraid to start the rookie at QB if he beats out Jason Campebll.

[Patfisher37]

Fellows we are only 1 yard and a couple of inches from being 2-1. This is not the time to panick....relax, we going to win the next 4 in a row, and then everyone will be saying, I TOLD YOU SO!

Zorn is the Man, Jason, I knew he had it in him, the D-fence has jelled!

We need faith and a few Miracles!!!

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Green1

Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!

For one thing I have yet to see any post Lion defeat thread have anyone say bench JC, except the one here. Next is that stats don't lie, but we still can't get into the endzone, which is not JC's fault. I was at the game Sunday with some of my friends who are Lions fans. My best friend who is an avid Lion and football fan in general told me that we needed a new QB. I told him to look at the scoreboard stats, it didn't matter to him. You know what, he had a point. Stafford is a rook and showed more poise than JC an guy that has been around for 6 years. What did JC have, 3 or 4 dropped snaps that could have ended up as fumbles? The one he recovered rather nicely, but why did he lose the snaps in the first place? Other times he was like a deer in headlights not sure whether to throw or run or who to throw to. The other intangible is the leadership aspect of being 'the man", and JC is woefully inadequate in this aspect of his role as starter. Shit Gus showed more emotion and tried to rally the team more back during the Norv days than JC has now. Zorn's scheme is the basic problem, but JC, along with a lot of the squad deserves a lot of heat from Sunday's game. THey showed absolutely no fire at all, either sides of the ball. Oh and props to good ole Gus, for he truly did more with less!!!!!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

For one thing I have yet to see any post Lion defeat thread have anyone say bench JC, except the one here. Next is that stats don't lie, but we still can't get into the endzone, which is not JC's fault. I was at the game Sunday with some of my friends who are Lions fans. My best friend who is an avid Lion and football fan in general told me that we needed a new QB. I told him to look at the scoreboard stats, it didn't matter to him. You know what, he is right. Stafford is a rook and showed more poise than JC an guy that has been around for 6 years. What did JC have, 3 or 4 dropped snaps that could have ended up as fumbles? The one he recovered rather nicely, but why did he lose the snaps in the first place? Other times he was like a deer in headlights not sure whether to throw or run or who to throw to. The other intangible is the leadership aspect of being 'the man", and JC is woefully inadequate in this aspect of his role as starter. Shit Gus showed more emotion and tried to rally the team more back during the Norv days than JC has now. Zorn's scheme is the basic problem, but JC, along with a lot of the squad deserves a lot of heat from Sunday's game. THey showed absolutely no fire at all, either sides of the ball. Oh and props to good ole Gus, for he truly did more with less!!!!!

You crack me up with the Gus mentions. We're talking about a guy who head-butted a cement wall for crying out loud.