Redskins trading out of the 4 spot?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by doughtydoubter

I dont know if all the love is gone, as it is that more and more people are being swayed by the idea that this might be the ideal time to grab a qb for the future.

I think its finally an ideal time to address 4 out of 5 starting positions along the Oline. If we trade away JC and then put Bradford back there with that shoulder, that would be a huge mistake. If Shanny and Allen feel like he will be a franchise QB who can lead this team to the playoffs in several years by all means then take him. Clausen IMO is not a top ten pick, really hope we would trade back to take him. BUT if there any issue about Bradford not being that player or that shoulder is going to be a constant issue, we need to be Oline focused.

[NYCskinfan82]

Let's say we draft Bradford. Preseason he's out their with the 2nd or 3rd string OL some eager young DF player hit's him after the fact he's out for the season. I know that could happen to any player but he has a history now i just think 4th is to high for a QB with a little history like that (i think Bradford is a better QB than Clausen & i'm a ND fan). This is why i'm beating that drum that says trade back if possible for more picks. If we picked up more picks then i would say yes.

[MTK]

The shoulder thing with Bradford is getting a bit tired. If he's given a clean bill of health it's a moot point. Like SS said, if teams didn't draft players with injury histories there would be no draft. At this point in their lives I don't think there's a player out there without a history of injuries.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The shoulder thing with Bradford is getting a bit tired. If he's given a clean bill of health it's a moot point. Like SS said, if teams didn't draft players with injury histories there would be no draft. At this point in their lives I don't think there's a player out there without a history of injuries.

Thats a bingo.

In the meantime:

Gailey trading for Campbell?
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Jason Campbell | Redskins | Interested: Bills?, Rams? Top Email

We continue to be interested to see how Jason Campbell fits into the Washington Redskins' long-term plans at QB, given the likelihood that they will draft a gunslinger this April.

A rumor that's been gaining some momentum this week has the Buffalo Bills trading away Donte Whitner and a draft pick in exchange for Campbell, according to Jason Reid of the Washington Post. This one could come down to the wire as the 'Skins get a better idea of how NFL-ready the blue chip draft prospects are, or how comfortable they'd be with Colt Brennan leading the team.

Last week, NFC East blogger Matt Mosley raised the idea of a Rams-Redskins deal involving Campbell:


Matt Mosley
Campbell could be available
"I'd be curious to hear what Spagnuolo thought of Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell at this point. Campbell's a restricted free agent for the Skins, but I'm sure Mike Shanahan would listen to offers."

[celts32]

The shoulder issue is getting old and we don't even need to worry about that with Dr. Andrews on the payroll. We will have the best info available. Tim Ryan on Sirius NFL radio said that Bradford just needs a year in the NFL to hit the weight room and his 6-4 frame can easily take on more weight. There is always and injury factor in pro football.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

The shoulder issue is getting old and we don't even need to worry about that with Dr. Andrews on the payroll. We will have the best info available. Tim Ryan on Sirius NFL radio said that Bradford just needs a year in the NFL to hit the weight room and his 6-4 frame can easily take on more weight. There is always and injury factor in pro football.

A NFL weight/nutrition program will have him bulked up in no time. He definitely has the frame to put on more weight.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A NFL weight/nutrition program will have him bulked up in no time. He definitely has the frame to put on more weight.

I'm beating both sides of the fence so I'll say the weight/nutrition program hasn't done a lot for Brennan unless he was extremely thin framed. lol.

I know I'm not helping my arguement that we need a QB this year and honestly I'm not trying to change peoples minds. I'd be happy with the best OL if we get him. It's just when people talk QB's usually only the top tier are like 1-3 QB's then there is a drop off and the rest are not so accurate or don't have good arm strength or can't scramble or will need a few years sitting on the bench before they shine.

So I sit back and look at the situation from two aspects.... Unless the team already has a Franchise QB most new HC's that take over a team pick up a QB they think will work in their system right out of the box. Then there's the fact that Campbell was a mid 1st round pick and you see what we got. Brennan was a mid round drafted QB and we see what we got. Chase Daniels was not even drafted and we saw what we got. So if we are in need of a Franchise QB that is more accurate then I'd rather pick as high in the draft as possible where the best QB's with the best skills are instead of hoping for the diamond in the rough or praying we can coach up a 2nd rounder.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

While I think the idea of keeping Campbell around for atleast a year has some merit, if the Shanahans have decided that he's not the QB of the future, and theyre going to draft a QB of the future, then they need to move Campbell now. While i'd like to get more than a 3rd and a 5th for him, the reality is that if we draft Bradford at 4, Campbells trade value plumets. And if we kept Campbell until 2011, we wouldnt get anything for him at all. In the past, we've held on to guys too long and its come back to bite us.(Remember, the Dolphins offered us a 1st rounder for Ramsey. 1 season later, we let him go for a 6th, if i remember properly). If the decision has been made that Campbell is not the long-term answer here, then lets move him now. Better a year too soon than a year too late.

[johno]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If the decision has been made that Campbell is not the long-term answer here, then lets move him now. Better a year too soon than a year too late.

well said BHA, i never thought about it like that. if we plan on drafting our future qb at 4, and Campbell is a UFA at the end of next season, why not get some value out of him now? if campbell is only to be a body to take hits until bradford/clausen is ready, that shouldnt be hard to find in FA.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

While I think the idea of keeping Campbell around for atleast a year has some merit, if the Shanahans have decided that he's not the QB of the future, and theyre going to draft a QB of the future, then they need to move Campbell now. While i'd like to get more than a 3rd and a 5th for him, the reality is that if we draft Bradford at 4, Campbells trade value plumets. And if we kept Campbell until 2011, we wouldnt get anything for him at all. In the past, we've held on to guys too long and its come back to bite us.(Remember, the Dolphins offered us a 1st rounder for Ramsey. 1 season later, we let him go for a 6th, if i remember properly). If the decision has been made that Campbell is not the long-term answer here, then lets move him now. Better a year too soon than a year too late.

Jason's situation could become complex depending on the type year he has if he's the SQB in 2010. If we draft a Bradford or Clausen and Jason has a pro-bowl type season his value will increase considerably with or without a new CBA. We could have another Champ Bailey type situation on our hands because no way will he want to stay here. So maybe moving him now, with the circumstances being what they are would be best if there's an equitable deal out there.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Jason's situation could become complex depending on the type year he has if he's the SQB in 2010. If we draft a Bradford or Clausen and Jason has a pro-bowl type season his value will increase considerably with or without a new CBA. We could have another Champ Bailey type situation on our hands because no way will he want to stay here. So maybe moving him now, with the circumstances being what they are would be best if there's an equitable deal out there.

The chances of Jason Campbell putting up the best performance of his career and playing at a pro-bowl level in a new offensive system with no #4 draft pick caliber LT to help protect him (we're drafting a QB at 4 in this scenario) are slim to none. If Campbell were capeable of that type of performance, we wouldnt want to move him anyway.

There's an old saying half a sure thing is better than twice of nothing. the chances of us getting alot more from him next year don't outweigh the risk that we could get alot lets. we should take what we can get for him now, cut our losses, and move on.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The chances of Jason Campbell putting up the best performance of his career and playing at a pro-bowl level in a new offensive system with no #4 draft pick caliber LT to help protect him (we're drafting a QB at 4 in this scenario) are slim to none. If Campbell were capeable of that type of performance, we wouldnt want to move him anyway.

There's an old saying half a sure thing is better than twice of nothing. the chances of us getting alot more from him next year don't outweigh the risk that we could get alot lets. we should take what we can get for him now, cut our losses, and move on.

Yeah, a pro-bowl type season for him was hypothetical thinking and believe me I really meant it to sound that way.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Yeah, a pro-bowl type season for him was hypothetical thinking and believe me I really meant it to sound that way.

Maybe I missed something but you did say SQB 2010. So what does SQB stand for? I took it to mean if JC becomes the Superbowl QB in 2010. I almost laughed. I'll eat almost whatever I have to eat but no way does JC become the 2010 SQB. It would be a major feet going from 4-12 to the SB and I guess it would make for a pretty bed time story but I don't see it.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The chances of Jason Campbell putting up the best performance of his career and playing at a pro-bowl level in a new offensive system with no #4 draft pick caliber LT to help protect him (we're drafting a QB at 4 in this scenario) are slim to none. If Campbell were capeable of that type of performance, we wouldnt want to move him anyway.

There's an old saying half a sure thing is better than twice of nothing. the chances of us getting alot more from him next year don't outweigh the risk that we could get alot lets. we should take what we can get for him now, cut our losses, and move on.

I really don't see Shanahan gambling his first year with the Redskins by either depending solely on Campbell without having a young QB in the wings or throwing a rook QB to the fire from day one.

The team should move him if a good offer comes along, if not then we should keep him and make him our starter until a rookie is ready. I don't understand why would want to settle for mediocre compensation for him.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

While I think the idea of keeping Campbell around for atleast a year has some merit, if the Shanahans have decided that he's not the QB of the future, and theyre going to draft a QB of the future, then they need to move Campbell now. While i'd like to get more than a 3rd and a 5th for him, the reality is that if we draft Bradford at 4, Campbells trade value plumets. And if we kept Campbell until 2011, we wouldnt get anything for him at all. In the past, we've held on to guys too long and its come back to bite us.(Remember, the Dolphins offered us a 1st rounder for Ramsey. 1 season later, we let him go for a 6th, if i remember properly). If the decision has been made that Campbell is not the long-term answer here, then lets move him now. Better a year too soon than a year too late.

Ya know I didn't even factor this thought in. He won't have any value to us at all next yr since he will be a FA. I guess if I'm looking for more draft picks then moving JC is top issue. What bothers me is who would we bring in and would we be getting worse by trading out a Vet we already have for some one possibly worse.