The OFFICAL 2004 Election Thread

[Bozzy]

Guess the redskins were wrong, lol

[MTK]

Well, at least we'll have 4 more years of some great skits on SNL

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well, at least we'll have 4 more years of some great skits on SNL

Matty have you seen Frank Caliendo on the Pregame show? He does the best Bush impersonation. I think he's on Mad TV too. It's hilarious.

[cpayne5]

I think Caliendo can impersonate just about anyone. He's really good.

[illdefined]

terrorists won't be crashing any planes or detonating any bombs in the South, Ohio, nor the rest of the midwest.

not even with saddam's non-existent WMD. but i got to see bin laden looking pretty healthy the other day. looks like his cave days are long behind him.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by illdefined

terrorists won't be crashing any planes or detonating any bombs in the South, Ohio, nor the rest of the midwest.

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but that's a rediculous statement. Just take a look at the terror plots that have been uncovered throughout the entire country. Oh, wait a minute, the media doesn't cover that kind of news.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but that's a rediculous statement. Just take a look at the terror plots that have been uncovered throughout the entire country. Oh, wait a minute, the media doesn't cover that kind of news.

does that include Fox News? what plots are you talking about and what were their targets?

[cpayne5]

Not all of these are in the south and midwest, but are examples of thwarted plots that have gotten little media coverage nontheless (and yes, Fox News is included):

Hoover Dam - al qaeda operatives found to be surveiling the structure for a possible attack

Las Vegas - international intelligence agencies found evidence of an attack on the MGM Grand and other casinos

Northern Virginia - al qaeda planned to bomb synagogues

World Bank in DC - specifically targeted

NY - al qaeda cell in Albany

NYC - al qaeda planned multiple attacks here. The one with the least coverage is the one in which they tried to buy a garment factory and smuggle explosives in on a truck and blow up the entire city.

Here is a list of cities that has seen arrests of terror suspects but where the details remain classified: Chicago, Tampa, Oxford Mississippi, Detroit, San Diego, Los Angeles, Denver, Tulsa Oklahoma.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Not all of these are in the south and midwest, but are examples of thwarted plots that have gotten little media coverage nontheless (and yes, Fox News is included):

Here is a list of cities that has seen arrests of terror suspects but where the details remain classified: Chicago, Tampa, Oxford Mississippi, Detroit, San Diego, Los Angeles, Denver, Tulsa Oklahoma.

not that i'm doubting you cpayne, but where did you get this info? i'm practically glued to the news (i almost lost my life 9/11, was in the subway station underneath), and haven't heard any of this. i asked about Fox News in case you were about to say it was a liberal media plot. if this is true why wasn't it all over the news? more importantly, why wasn't Bush hammering us with this during his campaign?

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by illdefined

not that i'm doubting you cpayne, but where did you get this info? i'm practically glued to the news (i almost lost my life 9/11, was in the subway station underneath), and haven't heard any of this. i asked about Fox News in case you were about to say it was a liberal media plot. if this is true why wasn't it all over the news? more importantly, why wasn't Bush hammering us with this during his campaign?

Fahrenhype 9/11 gives that list.

In the past, particularly the Albany/Buffalo case, the media has gotten ahold of the details of surveillance techniques used in terrorism cases and broadcasted it to the world. This is not smart. You don't want to show your hand to the terrorists. If Bush had come out and listed counter terrorism successes, details would surface, thus making terrorists smarter.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

In the past, particularly the Albany/Buffalo case, the media has gotten ahold of the details of surveillance techniques used in terrorism cases and broadcasted it to the world. This is not smart. You don't want to show your hand to the terrorists. If Bush had come out and listed counter terrorism successes, details would surface, thus making terrorists smarter.

Albany i did hear about. wasn't their target NYC? obviously, i was trying to make a point that most of the states that voted for Bush aren't prime terrorist targets.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by illdefined

Albany i did hear about. wasn't their target NYC? obviously, i was trying to make a point that most of the states that voted for Bush aren't prime terrorist targets.

Fair enough.

I guess they do have prime targets, but I consider the entire US a target as long as al qaeda exists.

[That Guy]

you only hear about the failures... otherwise all you did was stop someone from maybe doing something they might have been thinking about... the only way you can be sure that they'd follow through is to wait and let them... that's part of the problem, you can never prove you did anything unless you wait till they strap themselves to bombs to arrest them.

I've heard of a couple places, but outside the local news you prbably won't hear much. Police checking out an apartment doesn't normally cause a panic or raise enough interest to make it newsworthy.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you only hear about the failures... otherwise all you did was stop someone from maybe doing something they might have been thinking about... the only way you can be sure that they'd follow through is to wait and let them... that's part of the problem, you can never prove you did anything unless you wait till they strap themselves to bombs to arrest them.

I've heard of a couple places, but outside the local news you prbably won't hear much. Police checking out an apartment doesn't normally cause a panic or raise enough interest to make it newsworthy.

i agree with that somewhat, but all these 'successful threat eliminations' would have been valuable ammunition for the Bush campaign, and i'm wondering why they didn't bash it over our collective heads?

[cpayne5]

Yeah, I think Powell would be elected in a heartbeat.