Big Ben accused of sexual assault

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

credskins, your on point. they would need a warrant to take a DNA sample from ben unless he consents. of course, logic dictates that if they want a sample from ben they must have some dna fluid on the alleged victim to compare it to.

im guessin he was gettin head, (something happens), she hits her head.

for the location the appropriate phrase for (something happens) would have to be sh*t happens.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Didnt Rothlesberger provide DNA the last time he was accused of sexual assault? If so, having his DNA on file with the government shouldnt be a concern. Hasn't he already admitted to having contact of some sort with his accuser? So how would any additional prejudice be created by providing a DNA sample here.

I can only think of a few possibilities:

1) His lawyer simply doesnt want to be overly cooperative. If they really want his DNA and the feel they have evidence, then the prosecutors SHOULD get a warrant. (However, I personally feel if you have nothing to hide, then why not be as cooperative as possible in an effort to clear your name?)

2) Rothlesberger admitted to having contact that did not constitute intercourse with the woman. If the woman shows evidence of being raped, then Rothlesbergers argument could be that someone else did it. However, if he provides his DNA and it matches, it would prove Rothlesberger is either lying about the nature of his encounter or he actually committed the crime he's being accused of.

3) Rothlesberger's DNA has never been taken by the government before. He doesn't want it on file because it could end up being a match to some other, as yet unprosecuted crime.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Didnt Rothlesberger provide DNA the last time he was accused of sexual assault? If so, having his DNA on file with the government shouldnt be a concern. Hasn't he already admitted to having contact of some sort with his accuser? So how would any additional prejudice be created by providing a DNA sample here.

I can only think of a few possibilities:

1) His lawyer simply doesnt want to be overly cooperative. If they really want his DNA and the feel they have evidence, then the prosecutors SHOULD get a warrant. (However, I personally feel if you have nothing to hide, then why not be as cooperative as possible in an effort to clear your name?)

2) Rothlesberger admitted to having contact that did not constitute intercourse with the woman. If the woman shows evidence of being raped, then Rothlesbergers argument could be that someone else did it. However, if he provides his DNA and it matches, it would prove Rothlesberger is either lying about the nature of his encounter or he actually committed the crime he's being accused of.

3) Rothlesberger's DNA has never been taken by the government before. He doesn't want it on file because it could end up being a match to some other, as yet unprosecuted crime.

well said, those seem like the 3 most likely options, only #1 would be possibly favorable for BR.

I doubt he had to give DNA in the last one since no criminal charges were filed, only civil if they even were.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

IF Rothlesberger is indicted, do you think the NFL and or the steelers would suspend him like they did Vick, or would they wait for more evidence and/or the result of the trial?

[over the mountain]

idk, that was an interesting point that radio heads have been talking about. vick being suspended after getting indicted set a precedent that, in a fair nfl world, should be applied to all players.

an indictment really shouldnt be the bench mark for when the nfl assumes guilt and takes action.

the joke from some famous judge is that he could get his ham sandwhich indicted. grand jury proceedings are jokes.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

idk, that was an interesting point that radio heads have been talking about. vick being suspended after getting indicted set a precedent that, in a fair nfl world, should be applied to all players.

an indictment really shouldnt be the bench mark for when the nfl assumes guilt and takes action.

the joke from some famous judge is that he could get his ham sandwhich indicted. grand jury proceedings are jokes.

i could see there being a difference here. with vick, there was quite a bit of evidence against him and he had lied directly to the commish. In this case, there may not be as much direct evidence at the time if/when Big Ben is indicted. It really may come down to a he said / she said situation which should not be enough to warrant a suspension. with vick, it was he said / all these dead dogs on your property said.

Hopefully, there will actually be some hard evidence that either exhonorates or condemns Rothlesberger.

[MTK]

Can you imagine if we find out he was getting a blumpkin?

lol

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Can you imagine if we find out he was getting a blumpkin?

lol

Gross and that would be one big blumpkin.

[Monkeydad]

Is he married?

[SolidSnake84]

To my knowledge Ben is not married.

[CRedskinsRule]

Thus proving your sig JR.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

thats the first I heard that, but it doesn't surprise me. He seems like a complete and utter scumbag. Thank goodness Gibbs went after Brunell. Otherwise there's a slim chance we could have ended up drafting him and he'd be our problem.

[SirClintonPortis]

Well, if any one wants more "inside info" into Ben, the comments section in the following article could be for. (actual article has a sort of "I think Ben is innocent" slant because it's a Steeler fan wriiting it)

Ben Roetlisberger: Steeler Nation Is Still Behind You | Bleacher Report

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Well, if any one wants more "inside info" into Ben, the comments section in the following article could be for. (actual article has a sort of "I think Ben is innocent" slant because it's a Steeler fan wriiting it)

Ben Roetlisberger: Steeler Nation Is Still Behind You | Bleacher Report

WE CAN'T SPELL YOUR NAME EITHER BUT WE LOVE YOU BEN!!!lc

Seriously, how do you misspell your QB's name?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

WE CAN'T SPELL YOUR NAME EITHER BUT WE LOVE YOU BEN!!!lc

Seriously, how do you misspell your QB's name?

If it's in excess of 12 letters, I think it's acceptable to miss a letter or add a letter.

Rothlisburger would not be acceptable.