Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by ethat001

LOVE this trade.

But in reality, are we overvaluing a couple of banged up players? We're counting on Kemo (achilles), Carriker (shoulder) & now Brown (hip) - and NONE of whom played a snap last year. If Brown was still a Pro-Bowl caliber OT, would the Saints have let him go for a possible fourth round pick? Are we missing something here?


ps. Darn you JoeRedskin!! You got me too.

You make some good points. We are taking some calculated risks. Hopefully they all work out. If it makes you feel better, Brown says that he was healed months ago and could have played in the playoffs last year:
Report: Jammal Brown still considers himself left tackle - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[skinsfan69]

I guess I'm one of the few that really don't like this trade. The guy couldn't even get on the field cause he was hurt. So at 29 he's suppose to walk in off the street after being hurt and be a starter at LT in the NFC East? I have my doubts. It's apparent that Allen and Shanahan have 0 rebuilding plan and it's win now. Not so sure this is the best way to go.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

For this year's 2nd, and next years 3rd and 4th, we have upgraded the QB position and the line in a significant way for the next 3-5 years. We have our 1st and 2nd next year to continue the building.

Exactly. Plus we've added another 5th or 6th for next year. For me, Trent Williams and Jammal Brown as our bookends on the line with some combo of Hicks, Capers, Williams and Heyer as our backups is much more appealing than whatever we had last year (sans a healthy Samuels of course).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Exactly. Plus we've added another 5th or 6th for next year. For me, Trent Williams and Jammal Brown as our bookends on the line with some combo of Hicks, Capers, Williams and Heyer as our backups is much more appealing than whatever we had last year (sans a healthy Samuels of course).

Whoops. I meant to quote you JoeRedskin, not edit your own post. Note, the above post was written by me, not by JoeRedskin...though he certainly agrees with what I wrote

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Whoops. I meant to quote you JoeRedskin, not edit your own post. Note, the above post was written by me, not by JoeRedskin...though he certainly agrees with what I wrote

lol... I wondered what happened to my post. I thought it was some sort of payback for the link.

But yes. I absolutely agree.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I guess I'm one of the few that really don't like this trade. The guy couldn't even get on the field cause he was hurt. So at 29 he's suppose to walk in off the street after being hurt and be a starter at LT in the NFC East? I have my doubts. It's apparent that Allen and Shanahan have 0 rebuilding plan and it's win now. Not so sure this is the best way to go.

There is clearly an effort to "win now". At the same time, the groundwork is being laid for a transition team. To me, given the dearth of talent in important areas of last year's team, it appears to me that Shanahan is attempting to create a team with which he can win games, developing talent behind the starters, and changing the culture of the club. Pretty tall order and, IMO, being carried out in a very methodical way.

Last year's O-line was old and lacked talent. True, 29 is not an optimal age BUT unlike the line of the last few years we will actually have some young talent to go with the older vets. Plus, we have drafted developmental lineman for the future (Capers, Cook). Rhinehart hasn't made it to the field despite many opportunities to do so. Maybe that was coaching, maybe that was talent, I am betting if he performs well and shows he can do the job, he gets the RG slot.

For this year's 2nd, and next years 3rd and 4th, we have upgraded the QB position and the line in a significant way for the next 3-5 years. We have our 1st and 2nd next year to continue the building.

As Tripp said, hopefully, we get to the point where people are trading with us, but it will take a while given how far we have to go.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

There is clearly an effort to "win now". At the same time, the groundwork is being laid for a transition team. To me, given the dearth of talent in important areas of last year's team, it appears to me that Shanahan is attempting to create a team with which he can win games, developing talent behind the starters, and changing the culture of the club. Pretty tall order and, IMO, being carried out in a very methodical way.

Last year's O-line was old and lacked talent. True, 29 is not an optimal age BUT unlike the line of the last few years we will actually have some young talent to go with the older vets. Plus, we have drafted developmental lineman for the future (Capers, Cook). Rhinehart hasn't made it to the field despite many opportunities to do so. Maybe that was coaching, maybe that was talent, I am betting if he performs well and shows he can do the job, he gets the RG slot.

For this year's 2nd, and next years 3rd and 4th, we have upgraded the QB position and the line in a significant way for the next 3-5 years. We have our 1st and 2nd next year to continue the building.

As Tripp said, hopefully, we get to the point where people are trading with us, but it will take a while given how far we have to go.

I was on board when they made the McNabb trade but I'm starting to think that it was too much to give up. McNabb never plays 16 games and although he is an upgrade over JC, why not keep the picks and keep building? If we were let's say a QB away from contending for a SB then I'd do it. Kinda like the old Tampa Bay teams, they just needed a QB to push them over the hump. Simply not the case here. It just seems like we're always looking for the next best thing. It gets old.

[ethat001]

I agree. I'm still a sucker for big blockbuster signings -- but isn't this the same as the last 10 years? We're either spending too much or sending away draft picks for players..

And every year we've done this, everyone says "It's different this time."

- Albert Haynesworth (2009) - nuff said. most ppl loved this.
- Jason Taylor (2008) - last minute decision, most accepted this. he sucked.
- Brandon Lloyd/Archuleta (2006) - Gibbs did it, most accepted it. they sucked.
- Bruce Smith, Deion, Trotter, etc, etc, etc

I'm a Redskins homer, so (again) I'll say that this is "different" and I'm hopeful (perhaps we're giving up lower draft picks for good "value"). But I think we all need to realize, this is the very similar to what we've been doing for years. If the moves work, then Shanahan's a genius. If not, we'll look back and shake our heads.

When It Comes to Free Agency, Redskins Usually Aggressive

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Don't you think that it's time to stop giving away draft picks and try and develop some of our own guys? Rienhart hasn't even had a chance to get on the field.

Originally Posted by ethat001

I agree. I'm still a sucker for big blockbuster signings -- but isn't this the same as the last 10 years? We're either spending too much or sending away draft picks for players..

And every year we've done this, everyone says "It's different this time."

- Albert Haynesworth (2009) - nuff said. most ppl loved this.
- Jason Taylor (2008) - last minute decision, most accepted this. he sucked.
- Brandon Lloyd/Archuleta (2006) - Gibbs did it, most accepted it. they sucked.
- Bruce Smith, Deion, Trotter, etc, etc, etc

I'm a Redskins homer, so (again) I'll say that this is "different" and I'm hopeful (perhaps we're giving up lower draft picks for good "value"). But I think we all need to realize, this is the very similar to what we've been doing for years. If the moves work, then Shanahan's a genius. If not, we'll look back and shake our heads.

When It Comes to Free Agency, Redskins Usually Aggressive

You guys are right, we are doing "almost" exactly same thing what we always have done, however, with a very different regime.. Allen and Shanny make much smarter choices than Vinny and Snyder.. And not to mention, Snyder isn't involved with all of those moves.. It's becoming obvious Allen and Shanny want to win now or soon, so they are making those kind of choices.. I am not saying that because we have Allen and Shanny, we are guaranteed to good season with all new additions, but that we have better chance of being successful.. Don't forget we still have Haynesworth, if we could trade him then we probably would get 3rd round for him.. Pretty a good trade, Brown for Haynesworth..

Since we are in different Redskins era now, we don't really know what to expect because the whole system from up to bottom, on & off field is different. I am in 'wait and see' mode..

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

You guys are right, we are doing "almost" exactly same thing what we always have done, however, with a very different regime.. Allen and Shanny make much smarter choices than Vinny and Snyder.. And not to mention, Snyder isn't involved with all of those moves.. It's becoming obvious Allen and Shanny want to win now or soon, so they are making those kind of choices.. I am not saying that because we have Allen and Shanny, we are guaranteed to good season with all new additions, but that we have better chance of being successful.. Don't forget we still have Haynesworth, if we could trade him then we probably would get 3rd round for him.. Pretty a good trade, Brown for Haynesworth..

Since we are in different Redskins era now, we don't really know what to expect because the whole system from up to bottom, on & off field is different. I am in 'wait and see' mode..

I really don't think this signing is anywhere similar to any big time signings in the past. Now, one could argue that we are still trading future picks for players, which is similar to what the previous regime did. However, in this situation I think this is understandable given the poor shape of the offense and the mess that this front office has to clean.

Still, this is still a gamble by the FO and I truly hope this works out.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

You guys are right, we are doing "almost" exactly same thing what we always have done, however, with a very different regime.. Allen and Shanny make much smarter choices than Vinny and Snyder.. And not to mention, Snyder isn't involved with all of those moves.. It's becoming obvious Allen and Shanny want to win now or soon, so they are making those kind of choices.. I am not saying that because we have Allen and Shanny, we are guaranteed to good season with all new additions, but that we have better chance of being successful.. Don't forget we still have Haynesworth, if we could trade him then we probably would get 3rd round for him.. Pretty a good trade, Brown for Haynesworth..

Since we are in different Redskins era now, we don't really know what to expect because the whole system from up to bottom, on & off field is different. I am in 'wait and see' mode..

The moves look good now but we won't know the end result until the season starts.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The moves look good now but we won't know the end result until the season starts.

At this point, this is my biggest fear: The Regular Season (Jaws theme playing in background)

We have seen many off-seasons come and go, each with its own hype and hope. Everything looks SOOOO much more organized/professional/right track etc. BUT it's still off season. I can't wait till we see this team take the field, and hopefully we get to see a meaningful season.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The moves look good now but we won't know the end result until the season starts.

Wow, thank you Captain Obvious...

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by ethat001

I agree. I'm still a sucker for big blockbuster signings -- but isn't this the same as the last 10 years? We're either spending too much or sending away draft picks for players..

And every year we've done this, everyone says "It's different this time."

- Albert Haynesworth (2009) - nuff said. most ppl loved this.
- Jason Taylor (2008) - last minute decision, most accepted this. he sucked.
- Brandon Lloyd/Archuleta (2006) - Gibbs did it, most accepted it. they sucked.
- Bruce Smith, Deion, Trotter, etc, etc, etc

I'm a Redskins homer, so (again) I'll say that this is "different" and I'm hopeful (perhaps we're giving up lower draft picks for good "value"). But I think we all need to realize, this is the very similar to what we've been doing for years. If the moves work, then Shanahan's a genius. If not, we'll look back and shake our heads.

When It Comes to Free Agency, Redskins Usually Aggressive

The past free agents we have signed has never really bothered me it what we gave up and gave them that was always my issue. Brandon Lloyd is the perfect example. He had one year left on his deal and we could have waited and signed him for about the same deal even if he had a good season. Bruce Smith while on the down side provided some play but his deal was too big for what he had left in the tank. These also don't look like such a bust if you don't give up the bus with each deal.

[SmootSmack]

And Levi Jones is still out there, though I think it's less likely we bring him back now