Redskins Acquire QB John Beck (for CB Doug Dutch)

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BYUClark

He is 29, that is correct. Or will be shortly.

However, he is 29 of unused potential, rather than 29 and having been beat up in the NFL for a number of years. Most 29 year old QB's in the NFL have more wear and tear on them at this point. Not so with Beck.

I wouldn't be too concerned about what you've got here. When I have more time, I'll give you a Beck Fan's perspective, after having watched every game he played in in college, and throughout his NFL career (which could have been much better).

Obviously you are a Beck fan, given that you joined a Redskins board one day after he joined the team.

[BYUClark]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Obviously you are a Beck fan, given that you joined a Redskins board one day after he joined the team.

I make no bones about that, my friend. As is obvious by my username. ;-)

I've been following Beck's career closely, as I do all BYU players.

For all the gunslinging people attribute to BYU's offense, it's interesting to note that as far as ratio, and I remember specifically from Beck's Sr year, they run about a 51:49 ratio of pass to run. It's not quite as "pass happy" as people make them out to be. Common misconception. They aren't like Texas Tech, which runs a more 70:30 pass:run ratio.

I wish Beck the best in Washington. He's gotten a lot of crap for Miami, and it would be unfortunate to have that follow him his whole career. He's a fantastic character guy with a HUGE football IQ.

It was mentioned that there haven't been a lot of BYU QB's in the NFL make it super successfully. Forgotten are the Gifford Neilson's and Marc Wilsons of the world, of course. But yes, in recent history there've been a lack of them. I've always loved Beck because he's been the most capable that I've seen for a long time. He just needs his shot.

With Washington, it's the perfect situation. An injury-prone older starter in McNabb. A questionable back-up in Grossman. If Beck wins the 2nd position (which I strongly believe he can), it will be awesome to see him play again.

On another note, people forgot that even when Beck started for Miami (the team was 0-8 before they threw him to the wolves after running the Scout team), he played Pitt in one of the worst conditions ever seen. The Steelers won the game 0-3, but people forget that Beck actually outperformed Rothlesberger statistically. Ben was pulled out, due to playing so badly.

Yes. I'm a Beck homer, if only because I know what he's capable of. I hope you all get a chance to see it (the Positive stuff, that is). I'd like to see the conundrum which was Miami be brought to rest in his future.

[SirClintonPortis]

Damn, now I want to know what Colt's ball speed was (and JC's too, for that matter). Great post, 30gut.

Flacco's passes really have some zip on them compared to our 2009 QBs though. Caught a couple Ravens games.

[skinsnut]

The bottom line is this...who is a better long term prospect Beck or Colt?. I'd say that's about even. So why make this deal?
Does anyone know if this is about practice squad eligibility or something?
Otherwise, this makes little sense...other than the skins doing a favor for Doug Dutch and letting Colt go early to give him a chance elsewhere.

[MTK]

Boils down to Kyle S. likes Beck more.

[tryfuhl]

just watched a few spots on Beck.. I think from being in such a slinging atmosphere he never really learned how to make proper reads/look defenders off

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

just watched a few spots on Beck.. I think from being in such a slinging atmosphere he never really learned how to make proper reads/look defenders off

Most BYU QBs are not sucessful in the NFL. Steve Young was the big exception.

McMahon was, but he wasn't really that great of a QB, just on great teams.

Ty Detmer, Steve Sarkisian, Robbie Bosco...all flops after BYU. They just run a system that works incredibly against college defenses, but it doesn't transition well to the NFL.


They're a lot like Florida Gator QBs and their transition to the NFL.

[MTK]

Just odd that coming out of college one of the knocks on him was his arm strength. Could have been overblown, but saying he's got a rocket arm might be overstating things as well. I'm just going off of what my buddy said who's a Dolphins fan. He said his arm strength was adequate but nothing special.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Just odd that coming out of college one of the knocks on him was his arm strength. Could have been overblown, but saying he's got a rocket arm might be overstating things as well. I'm just going off of what my buddy said who's a Dolphins fan. He said his arm strength was adequate but nothing special.

Also consider that if he was a 26 year old throwing at the combine with 21 and 22 year olds, you'd expect the 26 year old guy to have a fully developed arm, while the 21 and 22 year olds would have mostly developed arms. So the 26 year old could light up the gun at the combine, but at this point, might have the 8th or 9th best arm in the class.

[BYUClark]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Also consider that if he was a 26 year old throwing at the combine with 21 and 22 year olds, you'd expect the 26 year old guy to have a fully developed arm, while the 21 and 22 year olds would have mostly developed arms. So the 26 year old could light up the gun at the combine, but at this point, might have the 8th or 9th best arm in the class.

While this is true, consider that he was 2 years gone on an LDS mission. You're not throwing footballs around and working on your skills while serving. And also consider that when he got back, he had to get back into football shape.

Anyone would agree that continuity is much easier to manage with an athlete than the unique situation LDS mission-bound athletes go thru. Sure, they mature a couple years, but that doesn't mean their bodies come back ready to play. Some never do.

All that being said, I'd say age is a wash in this case. But that's my opinion.

And another thing. Serving a 2 year mission doesn't make you 4 years older than the competition. It would be +2.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BYUClark

While this is true, consider that he was 2 years gone on an LDS mission. You're not throwing footballs around and working on your skills while serving. And also consider that when he got back, he had to get back into football shape.

Anyone would agree that continuity is much easier to manage with an athlete than the unique situation LDS mission-bound athletes go thru. Sure, they mature a couple years, but that doesn't mean their bodies come back ready to play. Some never do.

All that being said, I'd say age is a wash in this case. But that's my opinion.

And another thing. Serving a 2 year mission doesn't make you 4 years older than the competition. It would be +2.

You'd be correct that 2 years spent elsewhere doesn't make you four years older than the competition. But he was 25.5 years old during the 2007 scouting combine, and most of the amateur draft prospects are between 21 and 22.5 years old at the same combine, which is a significant difference.

As for where the difference between two and four come in, an August birthday is pretty advanced in the context of a high school graduating class (i.e. most classmates are younger, some by half a year or more), and he took a redshirt year in 2000 before going on a two year mission.

John Beck played four consecutive seasons at BYU from 2003-2006 after concluding a two year mission. Surely, you're not implying the Beck wasn't in football shape in Feb. 2007 because he spent 24 months between 2001 and 2003 on things more important than football? That timeline seems to undermine what you're trying to say about his college performance, given the unique circumstances.

[BYUClark]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You'd be correct that 2 years spent elsewhere doesn't make you four years older than the competition. But he was 25.5 years old during the 2007 scouting combine, and most of the amateur draft prospects are between 21 and 22.5 years old at the same combine, which is a significant difference.

As for where the difference between two and four come in, an August birthday is pretty advanced in the context of a high school graduating class (i.e. most classmates are younger, some by half a year or more), and he took a redshirt year in 2000 before going on a two year mission.

John Beck played four consecutive seasons at BYU from 2003-2006 after concluding a two year mission. Surely, you're not implying the Beck wasn't in football shape in Feb. 2007 because he spent 24 months between 2001 and 2003 on things more important than football? That timeline seems to undermine what you're trying to say about his college performance, given the unique circumstances.

Point taken, GTripp. Thanks.

The main thrust of my posts were to point out that the knocks on Beck's arm strength have been largely unfounded and ignorant. The guy has shown, in game, how strong his arm is.
What always impressed me most, however, was his football IQ. He had touch, accuracy, and most of all, was capable of turning nothing into something (see last play against Utah in '06).

He was a fantastic player in College, and has largely gotten the shaft in his NFL stints so far. I'm hopeful for him, believe he can beat out Grossman, and I hope ya'll are pleased with him in the future (or for as long as you have him).

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Also consider that if he was a 26 year old throwing at the combine with 21 and 22 year olds, you'd expect the 26 year old guy to have a fully developed arm, while the 21 and 22 year olds would have mostly developed arms. So the 26 year old could light up the gun at the combine, but at this point, might have the 8th or 9th best arm in the class.

I don't agree with that logic.
He's 27 not 40, he's at his physical peak right now.
I don't see how it makes sense to speculate that he has less arm strength now.
(True story army buddy(29) who hasn't thrown a baseball since (in earnest) since he was 19 threw 77 mph by gun at a fair)

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Just odd that coming out of
college one of the knocks on him was his arm strength. Could have been overblown, but saying he's got a rocket arm might be overstating things as well. I'm just going off of what my buddy said who's a Dolphins fan. He said his arm strength was adequate but nothing special.

I kinda consider a radar gun test done at the combine to be factual evidence of arm strength. I'm sure you have good reason to trust your friend's opinion but for me its kinda hard to deny that Beck has a strong arm,an above average strong arm.

But that doesn't mean that he'll be a good QB just that he has above average physical tools.
But so did Kyle Boller, JaMarcus Russell and from this draft class i'm pretty sure the kid out of Fordham and Jarrett Brown have the strongest arms.

Arm strength isn't the end all be all, that's not the point i was making.

I just wanted to bring it to light since most fans don't know much about Beck.
I thought it was a cool nugget to know about the kid.

[tryfuhl]

Rich_Campbell

Shanahan: Baltimore's interest in CB Doug Dutch after Domonique Foxworth's injury sparked yesterday's trade.

[CRedskinsRule]

^^^ it just seems like this was a simple move, no harm done, and builds a relationship.