sam bradford

[jonny5dicky]

It's funny we probably could have drafted Rex Grossman and Jabar Gaffney instead of Patrick Ramsey and Taylor Jacobs in '02 and '03. The Redskins management has really been ridiculous season after season, but I believe this is really the turn of the Redskins and it will be led by Rex Grossman. I remember wishing we hadn't drafted Patrick Ramsey so we would be going after Grossman the next draft. I bet Spurrier didn't want to draft Ramsey, and if he had the chance to get Grossman I bet his offense would have been a lot more dynamic. Grossman led the Bears to the super bowl his first season as a starter. I really look at the rest of the NFL for being pretty stupid for not getting this guy, basically because I know he can play and the Redskins are going to surprise the NFL. The Redskins receiving core is actually good too even though it didn't look that way a month ago. I really like how Terrence Austin has been looking.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by jonny5dicky

It's funny we probably could have drafted Rex Grossman and Jabar Gaffney instead of Patrick Ramsey and Taylor Jacobs in '02 and '03. The Redskins management has really been ridiculous season after season, but I believe this is really the turn of the Redskins and it will be led by Rex Grossman. I remember wishing we hadn't drafted Patrick Ramsey so we would be going after Grossman the next draft. I bet Spurrier didn't want to draft Ramsey, and if he had the chance to get Grossman I bet his offense would have been a lot more dynamic. Grossman led the Bears to the super bowl his first season as a starter. I really look at the rest of the NFL for being pretty stupid for not getting this guy, basically because I know he can play and the Redskins are going to surprise the NFL. The Redskins receiving core is actually good too even though it didn't look that way a month ago. I really like how Terrence Austin has been looking.

Never let facts get in the way of conclusions:

1. Patrick Ramsey was the draft pick "mandated" by Danny Boy. He told the Wash Post Magazine that he was the one who "discovered" Ramsey and recognized the strength of Ramsey's arm and realized that the Skins needed to take him before any other team did.

2. Grossman took the Bears to the Super Bowl in the ONLY season that he was the starter for the entire season - - not in his FIRST year as a starter. He was with the Bears for two years after that Super Bowl run; would you like to demonstrate for all of us here what his awe-inspiring stats were for those seasons? My recollection is - - and I will be happy to be corrected here - - that Grossman lost his starting job about 3-5 games into the season after he "led the Bears" to the Super Bowl and that he never recovered his job in Chicago for a season and a half.

3. If - - I said IF - - the Shanahans decide to sit Grossman on the bench and play John Beck at the start of the 2011 season, are you going to say that the Shanahans are a bunch of dummies just like the rest of the NFL because they do not recognize the greatness of Rex Grossman? Remember, you will be saying that a two-time Super Bowl winning head coach is a doofus if that is your position...

4. I still think you are Rex Grossman's mother posting here under the screen-name jonny5dicky.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Never let facts get in the way of conclusions:

1. Patrick Ramsey was the draft pick "mandated" by Danny Boy. He told the Wash Post Magazine that he was the one who "discovered" Ramsey and recognized the strength of Ramsey's arm and realized that the Skins needed to take him before any other team did.

2. Grossman took the Bears to the Super Bowl in the ONLY season that he was the starter for the entire season - - not in his FIRST year as a starter. He was with the Bears for two years after that Super Bowl run; would you like to demonstrate for all of us here what his awe-inspiring stats were for those seasons? My recollection is - - and I will be happy to be corrected here - - that Grossman lost his starting job about 3-5 games into the season after he "led the Bears" to the Super Bowl and that he never recovered his job in Chicago for a season and a half.

3. If - - I said IF - - the Shanahans decide to sit Grossman on the bench and play John Beck at the start of the 2011 season, are you going to say that the Shanahans are a bunch of dummies just like the rest of the NFL because they do not recognize the greatness of Rex Grossman? Remember, you will be saying that a two-time Super Bowl winning head coach is a doofus if that is your position...

4. I still think you are Rex Grossman's mother posting here under the screen-name jonny5dicky.

Not to sidetrack this conversation, but that's not exactly true about #1. Regardless of what Snyder told the WaPo Magazine. Ramsey was not their first choice. Choice #1. Heck 1-3 was Joey Harrington. They tried desperately to move up to get him. When that option failed, they decided they would sit at #18 and wait to see if Donte Stallworth fell to them. When that didn't happen is when they mobilized a trade down with the Patriots to get Ramsey and add picks later in the draft. He can say he "discovered" Ramsey (whatever that means) and that Ramsey was the guy they wanted. But I can tell you first hand it was really Joey Harrington all along. Why do you think they were so close to trading Ramsey to the Bears before he even took a snap with the team?

Ok, now back to the topic at hand

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not to sidetrack this conversation, but that's not exactly true about #1. Regardless of what Snyder told the WaPo Magazine. Ramsey was not their first choice. Choice #1. Heck 1-3 was Joey Harrington. They tried desperately to move up to get him. When that option failed, they decided they would sit at #18 and wait to see if Donte Stallworth fell to them. When that didn't happen is when they mobilized a trade down with the Patriots to get Ramsey and add picks later in the draft. He can say he "discovered" Ramsey (whatever that means) and that Ramsey was the guy they wanted. But I can tell you first hand it was really Joey Harrington all along. Why do you think they were so close to trading Ramsey to the Bears before he even took a snap with the team?

Ok, now back to the topic at hand

Oh yeah, almost forgot how much the Skins loved Freddy Prinz Jr, I mean Joey Harrington in that draft.

Vaguely recall reported interest in Stallworth.

[jonny5dicky]

I was responding to like the beginning of this post lol

[GusFrerotte]

Eli is overrated. He had the one SB and it will be all downhill from there. He ahs a nasty tendency to throw INTs when the game is on the line or real close. Favre started doing this when he hit the big 36. How old is Eli?

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Eli is overrated. He had the one SB and it will be all downhill from there. He ahs a nasty tendency to throw INTs when the game is on the line or real close. Favre started doing this when he hit the big 36. How old is Eli?

Favre always threw picks in big/any moments. For some reason though he was always given a pass by the media on this, when he threw a stupid pick it was because he was a "gun slinger"

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Eli is overrated. He had the one SB and it will be all downhill from there. He ahs a nasty tendency to throw INTs when the game is on the line or real close. Favre started doing this when he hit the big 36. How old is Eli?

If that is your criterion for "overrated", what is your adjective to describe Rex Grossman who can either throw an INT when the game is close OR he can fumble the ball away in the same circumstance? Does Grossman's "versitility" here count as a positive or a negative?

[mredskins]

In Redskins lore Sam Bradford will always be the fish that got away.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mredskins

In Redskins lore Sam Bradford will always be the fish that got away.

yup, even though they had no chance at getting him

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

yep I agree Matty.

There may be a guy or two from this years draft that we could have a legitimate grip against missing out on.

BTW I love our draft and cannot fault the FO for trying to get us as many players as possible.

[skinsfaninok]

Sam wasn't even a big time QB in HS here, in fact he was considered a better golfer than QB. Guy just worked hard and is a very underrated athlete with a Big time arm and all the smarts. basically he has all the tools to be a great one.

[Chico23231]

Has Bradford won the superbowl or an MVP trophy?

[MTK]

Is it not allowed in your world SC to discuss other teams and players without it having to relate back to the Skins in some fashion? lol

[skinster]

Eli Manning is underrated. He is a franchise qb IMO. Stats are strongly correlated with how good a player is, but they are not the end all be all. I watched alot of NYG games last season, The vast majority of picks Eli threw did not seem to be his fault.

Flacco is junk, he is JC IMO. Flacco doesn't seem to have 3 critical elements of being a franchise qb. He doesn't seem to have good vision, he doesn't seem to have good pocket presence (he lead the league in sacks after 3 seconds), and he doesn't seem to be able to deliver the ball quickly to his intended targets (yes I know he has arm strength, but the time from when he sees his target to when he throws the ball seems to be forever). Basically, he doesn't seem to have the intangibles needed to be an above average qb.