Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I won't be suprised if AH makes the Probowl w/ the Patriots. So far Mike Shanahan has blown up a top defense to make it one of the worst in football and completely mishandled a franchise QB who happens to be one of the more popular players in the league. My intuition is few great players will want to work under Shanny during his tenure w/ us.

I thought the move to the 3-4 wasn't a great idea, but let's not kid ourselves we were only a statistical top ten team. We weren't a good D when it came to making stops when needed or making big plays (sacks/turn-overs) under Blache. Blache's D was a "bend don't break" D that kept us in games but couldn't make stops in the 4th qtr or win games for us.

I'm also pretty sure MS/KS didn't make any of the piss-poor throws or decisions McNabb made last year. And no one wanted McNabb to succeed more than MS since he green-lighted the trade. McNabb's failure is on him and the fact that he doesn't have the physical tools he had 3-4 years ago. If he was still a franchise level QB that Philly felt could take them back deep into the playoffs they would've never let him go.

We need to develop our own great players, not look to poach them in FA or trades, as that's a very costly proposition that the current front office appears to be avoiding (outside of the McNabb trade).

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

hilarious!

Albert Haynesworth’s 10 worst Redskins moments - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post

I swear I want to punch Vinny Ceratto in the face.

[skinsfan57]

bye,bye trouble maker!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I swear I want to punch Vinny Ceratto in the face.

I second that.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I thought the move to the 3-4 wasn't a great idea, but let's not kid ourselves we were only a statistical top ten team. We weren't a good D when it came to making stops when needed or making big plays (sacks/turn-overs) under Blache. Blache's D was a "bend don't break" D that kept us in games but couldn't make stops in the 4th qtr or win games for us.

I'm also pretty sure MS/KS didn't make any of the piss-poor throws or decisions McNabb made last year. And no one wanted McNabb to succeed more than MS since he green-lighted the trade. McNabb's failure is on him and the fact that he doesn't have the physical tools he had 3-4 years ago. If he was still a franchise level QB that Philly felt could take them back deep into the playoffs they would've never let him go.

We need to develop our own great players, not look to poach them in FA or trades, as that's a very costly proposition that the current front office appears to be avoiding (outside of the McNabb trade).

McNabb's skill level is debatable. We'll see how he does in Minn...personally I think he's gonna be close to his top years in Philly.

There's no comparison to the defense pre and post Shanny. One was very stout and a player or two away from elite, the other is flat out bad.

I don't think Barry Cofield is gonna rescue our defens lmao. I took a poll around the office and nobody could say where Cofield's played or what he's done. We might as well celebrate that Turd Ferguson is on the roster lol.

Shanny has always struggled to identify and develop defensive talent. Wade Phillips did it for him during the best years in Denver. Honestly I don't expect much on that side of the ball. I do think/hope our offense will improve and become exciting to watch!!!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't think Barry Cofield is gonna rescue our defens lmao. I took a poll around the office and nobody could say where Cofield's played or what he's done. We might as well celebrate that Turd Ferguson is on the roster lol.

Are your co-workers Redskins fan? Cofield has always been part of the d-line that has completely had their way with our o-line and battered our QBs.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I took a poll around the office and nobody could say where Cofield's played or what he's done. We might as well celebrate that Turd Ferguson is on the roster lol

I took a poll of my kid's 8 year old friends. They had never heard of Cofield either.

I don't remember anyone touting Cofield as a "Savior". Just that he was a young guy with good upside and a good fit for the defense being built.

Sorry, those "top ten" D's were not a player or two away from being elite. I remember many a game where they not only failed to win it, but were handed a win and couldn't hold for the save.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

McNabb's skill level is debatable. We'll see how he does in Minn...personally I think he's gonna be close to his top years in Philly.

There's no comparison to the defense pre and post Shanny. One was very stout and a player or two away from elite, the other is flat out bad.

I don't think Barry Cofield is gonna rescue our defens lmao. I took a poll around the office and nobody could say where Cofield's played or what he's done. We might as well celebrate that Turd Ferguson is on the roster lol.

Shanny has always struggled to identify and develop defensive talent. Wade Phillips did it for him during the best years in Denver. Honestly I don't expect much on that side of the ball. I do think/hope our offense will improve and become exciting to watch!!!

Nobody said Cofield is a savior.

An office poll, you're kidding right?

Sounds like you must work with a lot of people who don't know football. He's not a household name but he's not a nobody either.

[12thMan]

This is so funny. If you're a Redskins fan you have to remember at least a few games when Cofield was pushing our guys around. Hell, more than a few times.

[The Goat]

I remember Cofield...I mean Turd Ferguson LOL. The point is he's just another dude. AH is among the most talented defensive players in the game and our brissly HC changed the scheme, blew up the defense and totally estranged our best defensive player AND the only franchise QB we've had in nearly two decades. I'm saying Shanny has a lot to prove...

The guys in my office are hardcore fusbol fans (Vikes, Pack and Steelers). Again I don't think Cofield is anyone to get excited about...everybody pushed our line around the last several years...c'mon guys lol the o-line has been a show lol.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I remember Cofield...I mean Turd Ferguson LOL. The point is he's just another dude. AH is among the most talented defensive players in the game and our brissly HC changed the scheme, blew up the defense and totally estranged our best defensive player AND the only franchise QB we've had in nearly two decades. I'm saying Shanny has a lot to prove...

The guys in my office are hardcore fusbol fans (Vikes, Pack and Steelers). Again I don't think Cofield is anyone to get excited about...everybody pushed our line around the last several years...c'mon guys lol the o-line has been a show lol.

Drunk before happy hour even starts?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by The Goat

McNabb's skill level is debatable. We'll see how he does in Minn...personally I think he's gonna be close to his top years in Philly.

No way, we'll revisit this thread in Nov. or so.

There's no comparison to the defense pre and post Shanny. One was very stout and a player or two away from elite, the other is flat out bad.

No argument on our D struggling last year, but we must've been watching different games while Blache was running the D. There's a huge difference in "stout" vs. bending but breaking in the 4th qtr. and not creating any positive defensive plays (sacks/turnovers)

I don't think Barry Cofield is gonna rescue our defens lmao. I took a poll around the office and nobody could say where Cofield's played or what he's done. We might as well celebrate that Turd Ferguson is on the roster lol.

One guy isn't the "savior", but a group of good (not great) team players is where I believe we're going.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I remember Cofield...I mean Turd Ferguson LOL. The point is he's just another dude. AH is among the most talented defensive players in the game and our brissly HC changed the scheme, blew up the defense and totally estranged our best defensive player AND the only franchise QB we've had in nearly two decades. I'm saying Shanny has a lot to prove...

The guys in my office are hardcore fusbol fans (Vikes, Pack and Steelers). Again I don't think Cofield is anyone to get excited about...everybody pushed our line around the last several years...c'mon guys lol the o-line has been a show lol.

Up until last year, the FO was making a lot of questionable moves. Between yesterday and today, they have more than shown that they have learned any lessons to be learned and are making solid moves to make this team younger and competitive.

[The Goat]

I'm rolling...the kool-aid is stronger and more plentiful than ever!!! It's probably the giddiness following a lock-out.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I'm rolling...the kool-aid is stronger and more plentiful than ever!!! It's probably the giddiness following a lock-out.

Wait, you do like football right? And by football I mean the Redskins?