Philadelphia Eagles Sign Nnamdi Asomugha

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mooby

Gtripp, I would've hoped that you of all people wouldn't underestimate the impact that Jim Washburn going to Philly has. If I had to rank their transactions at the top of the list, he'd be right below Nnamdi in terms of potential impact, and right above Jason Babin, which is my next point.

Washburn is one of those guys who is a career lifer as a d-line coach, and he likes it that way. The guy has taken no-name guys and transformed them into elite pass rushers all the time in Tennessee. That's why they were so successful when their d-linemen kept leaving in free agency, they were able to just keep plugging new guys in and keep playing. Washburn made Jason Babin a Pro-Bowl pass rusher in Tennessee, and I have no doubts he'll be able to make a very solid bookend tandem with him and Cole in Philly. The guy knows how to take his players and put them in the absolute best chance to succeed. He is extremely creative.

And also thanks for the kind words guys. Just trying to help a fellow fan out.

Jim Washburn is a well respected coach, but his units results just haven't been there since Schwartz left. Babin was fantastic for 7 or 8 games last year when he had something like 9 sacks at the midway point. From that point forward, he was pretty much just Jason Babin and his team went 1-7.

Cole is a superstar that no one ever hears about. But I feel like his effectiveness could be limited in a "wide nines" rush scheme of sorts, the kind of scheme Washburn used sans Haynesworth to make players like Babin useful. I don't know what Washburn is going to do with his unit, but I don't see it being any better than the Eagles DL last year.

The biggest problem with the Eagles DL this year is that Brandon Graham is still hurt. He's the next top NFC East pass rusher. But perhaps not this year.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Jim Washburn is a well respected coach, but his units results just haven't been there since Schwartz left. Babin was fantastic for 7 or 8 games last year when he had something like 9 sacks at the midway point. From that point forward, he was pretty much just Jason Babin and his team went 1-7.

Cole is a superstar that no one ever hears about. But I feel like his effectiveness could be limited in a "wide nines" rush scheme of sorts, the kind of scheme Washburn used sans Haynesworth to make players like Babin useful. I don't know what Washburn is going to do with his unit, but I don't see it being any better than the Eagles DL last year.

The biggest problem with the Eagles DL this year is that Brandon Graham is still hurt. He's the next top NFC East pass rusher. But perhaps not this year.

Alls I'm gonna say is I think the problems in Philly last year were a mix of lack of talent and lack of good coaching. With Washburn in there, there definitely won't be a lack of coaching. I think he'll be able to play to his players' strengths and we're going to see Philly's d-line looking way better this year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mooby

Alls I'm gonna say is I think the problems in Philly last year were a mix of lack of talent and lack of good coaching. With Washburn in there, there definitely won't be a lack of coaching. I think he'll be able to play to his players' strengths and we're going to see Philly's d-line looking way better this year.

Another thing: the Kyle Shanahan offense is almost the ideal counter-attack to what the strength of the Eagles defense is this year: limited formation diversity, play action heavy attack, outside runs at poor tackling corners (basically, anyone but Asomugha), just limiting the amount of dbs who can safely be on the field.

Would not shock me if we go 6-10 this year, but beat the Eagles twice.

[GTripp0012]

Haslett makes good adjustments as games go along. He sometimes amplifies existing personnel issues by being hardheaded, but unlike Blache, if one of our division rivals came out and moved the ball on us in the first half, we generally had them figured out by the second half.

To clarify: the decision to start Kedric Golston after Week 6 was indefensible, and continued for seven games after that. Lost maybe multiple games because of a refusal to start our best players up front. But even in games we lost, we typically did better in the second half than first half. It's been years since that was the case here on defense.

[skinsfaninok]

Why would they not keep all 3? Samuel as the 3 would be nasty

[Skins4L]

I'm not gonna say Grossman... I cant .. I won't...

But when we play the Eagles... BECK needs to work the middle and the slot.
Hopefully that Oline holds up n we run some drag routes and hope Nnamdi and Samuel get lost in they're coverage. Seeing they're both elite it will be a tough assignment for a first year starter but we got this! Cooley all day

[GTripp0012]

The Eagles are definitely trying to exploit the win-now market inefficiency in talented thirty somethings on the FA market. Jenkins and Asomugha 2 of top 12 rated defensive free agents for me.

Jenkins is a big addition in that front. Instantly the second best player on the DL for them.

[mlmpetert]

I honestly think Cullen Jenkins is overrated. Not is the sense that hes a bad player or anything, but people have been acting like hes some elite DL, which i just dont think is true. Hes a slightly above average 30 year old 3-4 DE to me. Also doesnt Philly primarily play a 4-3??? Did that change?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I honestly think Cullen Jenkins is overrated. Not is the sense that hes a bad player or anything, but people have been acting like hes some elite DL, which i just dont think is true. Hes a slightly above average 30 year old 3-4 DE to me. Also doesnt Philly primarily play a 4-3??? Did that change?

Jenkins is better for the 4-3 than the 3-4. But he can do both more than adequately and still get after the passer.

The biggest concern with Jenkins is he's never been much of a high snaps/game guy. If you thought Haynesworth needed to come out of the game often, Jenkins doesn't play nearly as many snaps per game as that.

He's lethal when he's in the game though.

[GTripp0012]

The flip side is: the Eagles aren't the young, talented team, they've always been in the past, which is a Howie Roseman effect. 25 and under prospects: DRC, Nate Allen, that one linebacker whose name escapes me, Brandon Graham, Jackson, Maclin all great talents, but this is an oldish team.

[GTripp0012]

Their roster still isn't as talented as the Giants, Saints, or Packers, and I don't expect them to finish in front of any of those teams.

But the Eagles have "won" free agency. They entered with a roster about as good as the Cowboys. Now very clearly have relegated Dallas to third in division status with their moves the last three days.

[CultBrennan59]

Cullens a DE in both the 3-4 and 4-3, and I guess you can slide him at DT in their front four

[GTripp0012]

If Jenkins doesnt work out...

On Cullen Jenkins: @Michaelombardi says it could be a one-year, $4 million deal if Eagles cut bait after '11.

-Gregg Rosenthal on Twitter.

[GTripp0012]

Terrible contract for Jenkins given his stock after GBs year. That could be a $10 million dollar mistake by his agent if CJ doesn't set the world on fire in 2011.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Terrible contract for Jenkins given his stock after GBs year. That could be a $10 million dollar mistake by his agent if CJ doesn't set the world on fire in 2011.

This. Somehow the CJ camp played their negotiating cards badly.