The "Inside Word" on the QB Search

[skinsfaninok]

saw Tannehill against OU and I thought Landry outplayed himIMO.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

saw Tannehill against OU and I thought Landry outplayed himIMO.

I have Landry Jones graded above Ryan Tannehill. And yet, I never feel good about watching Landry Jones on film. I'm always asking myself things like: who does that? why does that happen? Sometimes he's just guessing out there.

Jones' arm talent is undeniable, and gives him a huge edge over Tannehill, and he's a better athlete than I gave him credit for earlier. He's not a statue. But I don't think he's been coached all that well in college (or maybe more seriously, hasn't responded to the coaching). He's good enough to throw people open, and he's talented enough to drop in a throw 40 yards downfield in a hole in the coverage (which Tannehill can't do), but too often, Jones just plays confused. And I can't understand why.

Would you say the OU coaches are just frustrated with his lack of development? They don't even leave him in on the goal line anymore, which is why he threw one TD pass in his last five games. It almost seems like they look for reasons to take the game out of his hands, which is totally different than last year when they let him lead all of FBS in passing attempts and completions. It seemed before, they were willing to take the really, really good with the inexplicably bad, and now, they just don't want to deal with him anymore.

I guess what I'm saying is that if Jones isn't going to respond to coaching, I can't justify keeping him ranked above Tannehill, no matter how talented his right arm is.

[GTripp0012]

Oddly, the same thing that happened to Tannehill also happened to Dominique Davis as soon as I said I liked him as a prospect: he really started to struggle down the stretch with his reads and throws. Against very mediocre college defenses.

I can't find an ECU weekly injury report anywhere so I have no idea what happened to Davis either.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Oddly, the same thing that happened to Tannehill also happened to Dominique Davis as soon as I said I liked him as a prospect: he really started to struggle down the stretch with his reads and throws. Against very mediocre college defenses.

I can't find an ECU weekly injury report anywhere so I have no idea what happened to Davis either.

It wasn't a injury. ECU alum and employee here. Davis struggles if is primary read isn't open. He stares down receivers and often makes poor decisions by throwing into double/triple coverage (ala...Rex "**** it i'm going deep") on deep routes.

Even when he was great last year, I never thought he was a NFL type of quarterback. I personally thought he should have been benched a few times this season with his play, but other games would make you marvel. (navy)

[CRU-ECU]

As an ecu grad and someone who watched Davis play every game of his college career...no thanks..i can't imagine him being drafted..makes terrible decisions and seems to learn nothing from them on the next series. Never heard anything about an injury. He had a few games last year, when he first ran that air raid offense, where I thought he'd be much better than he ended up being. He was never the quarterback for that type of system though. He transferred from BC when skip holtz was still the coach and was pegged to run a much more conservative offense. He got stuck in an unexpected situation. To be fair, the playcalling was mostly awful this year too.

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[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRU-ECU

As an ecu grad and someone who watched Davis play every game of his college career...no thanks..i can't imagine him being drafted..makes terrible decisions and seems to learn nothing from them on the next series. Never heard anything about an injury. He had a few games last year, when he first ran that air raid offense, where I thought he'd be much better than he ended up being. He was never the quarterback for that type of system though. He transferred from BC when skip holtz was still the coach and was pegged to run a much more conservative offense. He got stuck in an unexpected situation. To be fair, the playcalling was mostly awful this year too.

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Good insight. Thanks for weighing in.

[Bubba305-ST21-]

Originally Posted by CRU-ECU

As an ecu grad and someone who watched Davis play every game of his college career...no thanks..i can't imagine him being drafted..makes terrible decisions and seems to learn nothing from them on the next series. Never heard anything about an injury. He had a few games last year, when he first ran that air raid offense, where I thought he'd be much better than he ended up being. He was never the quarterback for that type of system though. He transferred from BC when skip holtz was still the coach and was pegged to run a much more conservative offense. He got stuck in an unexpected situation. To be fair, the playcalling was mostly awful this year too.

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ECU grad myself, graduated last may. I couldnt agree more, he makes iffy decisions way too much and yes our play calling was horrible considering it only consisted of slants, screens and draws. Im really praying for a RGIII chance since I think Luck is unrealistic. Flynn has looked good in his LITTLE time playing, but I mean what has he really proved? He won 2 games with the Super Bowl Champs and arguably the best receiving corp and best tight end in the game. I wouldnt mind taking a shot on him but not for too much money.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Bubba305-ST21-

ECU grad myself, graduated last may. I couldnt agree more, he makes iffy decisions way too much and yes our play calling was horrible considering it only consisted of slants, screens and draws. Im really praying for a RGIII chance since I think Luck is unrealistic. Flynn has looked good in his LITTLE time playing, but I mean what has he really proved? He won 2 games with the Super Bowl Champs and arguably the best receiving corp and best tight end in the game. I wouldnt mind taking a shot on him but not for too much money.

Finley is good, but he is nowhere near Graham, Gronkowski, or even Antonio Gates.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Finley is good, but he is nowhere near Graham, Gronkowski, or even Antonio Gates.

He isn't, but I think he has that kind of ability.

Of course, so does Fred Davis.

[Bubba305-ST21-]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Finley is good, but he is nowhere near Graham, Gronkowski, or even Antonio Gates.

I agree with GTripp, I certainly think he is just as good as all of the above. Its just that Graham and Grankowski get thrown to more and are a bigger part of each of their teams gameplan, the Packers have weapons on offense for days.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Finley is good, but he is nowhere near Graham, Gronkowski, or even Antonio Gates.

Finley, quietly in the top 5 for drops this season. No sense to get Finley with Fred Davis here and Davis is gonna be much more affordable.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Finley, quietly in the top 5 for drops this season. No sense to get Finley with Fred Davis here and Davis is gonna be much more affordable.

Who said anything about bringing Finley here?

[30gut]

Looking at Tannehill and Jones I don't look at their stats/performance because their indelibly linked to the circumstances that occur with their surrounding team and coaching.
Therefore I'm not concerned nor do I worry about perceived 'dips' in performance because it doesn't change their physical skillset.
Its why a prospect like Locker can have a perceived 'bad' season and still get drafted top 10.

I only look at skillset/talent: can/how does their skillset project at the next level.

Their scheme doesn't matter much to me because all the prospect will(should) have the best coaching of their lives at the next level.

The prospects should all have their best football ahead of them.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He's good enough to throw people open, and he's talented enough to drop in a throw 40 yards downfield in a hole in the coverage (which Tannehill can't do), but too often, Jones just plays confused. And I can't understand why............I guess what I'm saying is that if Jones isn't going to respond to coaching, I can't justify keeping him ranked above Tannehill, no matter how talented his right arm is.

GT-
As far as the arm talent difference between Jones and Tannehill I just don't see it.
Tannehill can flat out hum it; the litmus test for NFL arm strength from the far hash to the far sideline with ease.
I've seen him hit the seam with ease and drop in 'bucket' throws.

Imo (sum):
Tannehill=Jones arm talent
Tannehill>Jones athleticism(avoid)/playmaking
Jones=experience; especially in know when/what type of throw to use in a given situation
Tannehill>Jones integration into Kyle's offense because of the A&M/Houston offense connection

BUT-
Don't get me wrong I like Jones.(subtracting Broyles from that offense hurt OU)
He reminds me of a more mobile Ryan Mallett and I liked Mallett alot.
I'm just hashing out why I rank Tannehill ahead for this team.

[bigant]

would love to land bradford but why would st.louis trade him? he is not the problem,unless they think rg3 is better than him .then i would give up our no.1 pick for him.that would be great just don,t see the rams trading him . can somebody explain more thanks...

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by bigant

would love to land bradford but why would st.louis trade him? he is not the problem,unless they think rg3 is better than him .then i would give up our no.1 pick for him.that would be great just don,t see the rams trading him . can somebody explain more thanks...

I don't see the Rams drafting RG III unless they feel that he's the only guy who can compensate for not having a good offensive line and still make big plays. I think it's a better move for the Rams to trade down (they don't have to trade down that far) to pick up more picks to help rebuild the offensive line. I think ultimately, they keep Sam Bradford.

In this case, it means some team having enough fire power to rocket up to that pick to land RG III. I don't think it's Miami, as I feel they are fine with going into next season with Matt Moore. Cleveland is a possibility, and I'm not sure if the Redskins are willing to move up to land RG III. I know it was rumored of Denver to move up, but they're not even picking in the first 20 picks, I would think they would have to give up a King's ransom and then some to move all the up to the Rams pick.

I'm starting to believe that the Redskins are not going to make a big splash this offseason for that star QB. They DO have to replace John Beck with a competent backup, but other than that, I'm thinking the Redskins front office continues on with their current plan and THEN maybe looks at the quarterback of the future next offseason.

The big IF is, IF the Redskins stay relatively healthy and have better depth built on the offensive line and in some key positions, the Redskins might win 8 to 10 games. If they win 10 games WITH Rex Grossman this coming season (yes, I know it's a stretch) then Shanahan is going to look like a genius in being patient and getting that future franchise QB next year. By his fifth season, the Redskins will be solid.