Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah but depth is easier to create pre Plan B free-agency and salary caps

Not denying that. I'm simply saying that depth, itself, is the key.

[SmootSmack]

Alvoid Mays. LOL

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Alvoid Mays. LOL

I was watching the 1991 NFC Championship game on DVD last night and Mays was all over the field after Darrell Green injured his ribs. Alvoid Mays was a pretty quality depth player....

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I was watching the 1991 NFC Championship game on DVD last night and Mays was all over the field after Darrell Green injured his ribs. Alvoid Mays was a pretty quality depth player....

He was fine, but-if we're being honest-he wasn't tremendously better than say Reed Doughty or even a guy like Jordan Pugh.

I love the 80s Redskins, but there's always a lot of revisionist history about them

But anyhow, that's in the past

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He was fine, but-if we're being honest-he wasn't tremendously better than say Reed Doughty or even a guy like Jordan Pugh.

I love the 80s Redskins, but there's always a lot of revisionist history about them

But anyhow, that's in the past

Pretty much my point.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

SS ..... We are trying to extend the guys?

Love the move, one of my biggest fears is losing Kyle. I believe that Kyle and RG III are going to do great things and are just scratching the surface of what they can design for our guys.

Always been a big supporter of the MS plan, knew it would take time and backed the initial moves he made to try and go for the quick turn around. We all know they sucked now. Check my posts. I have to say though I was beginning to wonder in week 9.

The things I saw that were obviously wrong with the team early they have fixed.
Winning being the biggest. Has a huge effect on the way the guys are playing. They are balling right now. Offense, Defense, and Special Teams. We have some holes but we can fix them.

[Meks]

the only problem i had with the shanaplan was the inconsistent performance of our coordinators at times early in the season... i must say they have found rythym and the head scratchers get less and less every week.. they've turned play calling around in a huge way regardless of who we have a QB it seems... sure winning has alot to do with it but for me personally they have come on strong especially with halftime adjustments... can't say enough about the work they are putting in over this win streak and how it has translated on the field. big ups to both of them.

[REDSKINS4ever]

^ The Redskins players and especially the coaching staff have been on fire since returning from the bye week.....

[Defensewins]

I was so glad to get rid of the Snyderatto Front Office that I bought in on day 1 that Shanahan and Allen were hired. Finally two real football men running the ship, about 12 years too late.
Yes there have been some mistakes along the way with Shanaplan, but nobody is perfect. Even Gibbs I made some personnel mistakes here and there. I don't expect Shanahan and Allen to be perfect.
I think the real change now has to come from the Redskins fans that are too impatient and so desperate to win now that there is already talk of wanting to trade away Cousins for picks. You want picks to get great players. So why give away a good player for picks? The other needs will get taken care of with TIME.
I think last weeks RGIII injury is the perfect example of this impatience. So many people wanted RGIII to play and risk further injury even though he could run in practice. I love that Shanahan will only play RGIII until he is healthy, that is the correct way to treat your big investment.

[punch it in]

My name is Punch, and im a Shanafan. Admitting it is half the battle. Lol.

I think its pretty apparent that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon now. Where were all you guys when me goat gtripp and mechanix were saying "be patient"?
On a serious note everyone was excited when Vinnie left. When after two years and 9 weeks you have yet to be on the way to winning atleast as many games as Zorn did i think that was reasonable cause for doubt. Its easy now to say " i knew this was coming ( the wins) , as opposed to admitting that you might have been thinking the same thing as we were - "oh shit". I personally stated all year that when he wins he will garner my praise. I feel no shame in being a "bandwagon fan" of the coaching staff. I was never a "bandwagon fan" of my team. Would be wearing my jersey every sunday no matter what.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

My name is Punch, and im a Shanafan. Admitting it is half the battle. Lol.

I think its pretty apparent that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon now. Where were all you guys when me goat gtripp and mechanix were saying "be patient"?
On a serious note everyone was excited when Vinnie left. When after two years and 9 weeks you have yet to be on the way to winning atleast as many games as Zorn did i think that was reasonable cause for doubt. Its easy now to say " i knew this was coming ( the wins) , as opposed to admitting that you might have been thinking the same thing as we were - "oh shit". I personally stated all year that when he wins he will garner my praise. I feel no shame in being a "bandwagon fan" of the coaching staff. I was never a "bandwagon fan" of my team. Would be wearing my jersey every sunday no matter what.

I don't think I can express how much the bolded statement aggravates me. In hindsight, we know that Zorn's best days were in his first 8 games, when he won 6 of his total. We also know that those first 8 games were Zorn staying with what JG had built. Shanahan wasn't even trying to take what he had been given and win with it. He took what he was given, threw a whole bunch out, and started seeing who was going to be his kinda guys. Saying that Zorn and Shanahan had the same win total completely ignores the reality of how the two win totals were achieved. end rant

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't think I can express how much the bolded statement aggravates me. In hindsight, we know that Zorn's best days were in his first 8 games, when he won 6 of his total. We also know that those first 8 games were Zorn staying with what JG had built. Shanahan wasn't even trying to take what he had been given and win with it. He took what he was given, threw a whole bunch out, and started seeing who was going to be his kinda guys. Saying that Zorn and Shanahan had the same win total completely ignores the reality of how the two win totals were achieved. end rant

It is a well thought out rant and I believe that your theory fits. I could buy that logic even if it weren't the truth. It makes too much sense not to be though.

Hypothetical question if the team were to improve on paper, but start off horrible next season and not even make the playoffs, then what would your assessment of Shannahan be then? Would you allow him to stay for his fifth year or would you be looking for different options?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Angry

It is a well thought out rant and I believe that your theory fits. I could buy that logic even if it weren't the truth. It makes too much sense not to be though.

Hypothetical question if the team were to improve on paper, but start off horrible next season and not even make the playoffs, then what would your assessment of Shannahan be then? Would you allow him to stay for his fifth year or would you be looking for different options?

We play the NFC North, and AFC West, as well as one NFC West and NFC South team. If we start off horrible again next year(less than .500 after 6 games), I think I would backtrack some. Having shown movement in the right direction, getting some players back, and playing what should be a similar, or easier, schedule we should see a more consistent team.

That said, I think we will be a 9+ win team(probably 10+) for the next 3 years, given the AFC and NFC rotation we will see.

[Bucket]

Just wanted to point out that I said be patient and give him his 5 years like he said it would take. One day, this board will take everything I say seriously Since im barely ever wrong.

HTTR

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't think I can express how much the bolded statement aggravates me. In hindsight, we know that Zorn's best days were in his first 8 games, when he won 6 of his total. We also know that those first 8 games were Zorn staying with what JG had built. Shanahan wasn't even trying to take what he had been given and win with it. He took what he was given, threw a whole bunch out, and started seeing who was going to be his kinda guys. Saying that Zorn and Shanahan had the same win total completely ignores the reality of how the two win totals were achieved. end rant

That is exactly right. It ignores that Shanahan and Allen pretty much built this teams roster with their players.

The young talent you have and the way your team is playing (quality of play) is some times more important than your record. If I played 8 games with this current roster against:
1) Patriots
2) Green Bay
3) 49ers
4) Giants
5) Texans
6) Falcons
7) Denver
and we lost more games than we won, I would still be happy. Because it was against the best teams in the NFL and I know our team is young and promising.
But if I played 8 weak ass teams and won them all with Zorn's old weak ass roster I would not be happy because our play on the field and our players were weak.
Win loss does not always tell the whole story. You are only as good as the teams you play.