Smithsonian Museum - yet another thread on team name

[SFREDSKIN]

Why don't they run a poll with different Native American tribes and ask what they would rename the Redskins to. It would be an interesting test.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Why don't they run a poll with different Native American tribes and ask what they would rename the Redskins to. It would be an interesting test.

I have a better idea. Why don't we just send blankets with small pox to mike florio, mike wise, and all the other people who claim the name is racist without understanding the facts.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Why don't they run a poll with different Native American tribes and ask what they would rename the Redskins to. It would be an interesting test.

Actually this did happen, and the largest % of Native Americans who were polled showed that they did not think the name "Redskins" was derogatory. In fact, some of the NAs that were polled said that they were Redskins fans and that they were honored to have a team represent them.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Actually this did happen, and the largest % of Native Americans who were polled showed that they did not think the name "Redskins" was derogatory. In fact, some of the NAs that were polled said that they were Redskins fans and that they were honored to have a team represent them.

There you go, end of discussion. There's always going to be whiners in this world with their own agendas (Florio) they are the ones that want to be different. **** them!!

[Son Of Man]

Unless you are Native American, your feeling on the matter (either way) is irrelevant. Borderline self-serving.

[VTSkins1961]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Unless you are Native American, your feeling on the matter (either way) is irrelevant. Borderline self-serving.

I hope that it doesn't change but If they were forced to change the name I would want it be changed back to the "Braves" the original name.

[Leader In Sports]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Unless you are Native American, your feeling on the matter (either way) is irrelevant. Borderline self-serving.

No matter what you feel about the issue of the name, I will strongly disagree with this statement. (now I am back out of this discussion):

First they came... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Unless you are Native American, your feeling on the matter (either way) is irrelevant. Borderline self-serving.

The very nature of a Skins website is to discuss topics relevant to the Skins. Since this is about the name of the team, I would think it is a relevant discussion. And having vested nearly 40 years of my life as a Redskins fan, I think that I have a right to express my opinion. And that brings us back to the question, at what point does a word go from a dispersion to an honorable name. I wasn't around when the name was changed, I grew up thinking of the term Redskins as a good thing, and as a side note - Cowboys as a bad thing. I am pretty sure many if not most in my generation grew up with the same view, or if it was a negative it was because you didn't like the team - not because of any racial overtones.

Bottomline for me, if the whole of the collective native american tribes were demonstrating, picketing, and letting it be known that this was an offense against their race, then I would not have a problem with changing it. But if it is a group of lawyers, and a small non-representative sampling, then they need to move on. In my view, it is the latter.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The very nature of a Skins website is to discuss topics relevant to the Skins. Since this is about the name of the team, I would think it is a relevant discussion. And having vested nearly 40 years of my life as a Redskins fan, I think that I have a right to express my opinion. And that brings us back to the question, at what point does a word go from a dispersion to an honorable name. I wasn't around when the name was changed, I grew up thinking of the term Redskins as a good thing, and as a side note - Cowboys as a bad thing. I am pretty sure many if not most in my generation grew up with the same view, or if it was a negative it was because you didn't like the team - not because of any racial overtones.

Bottomline for me, if the whole of the collective native american tribes were demonstrating, picketing, and letting it be known that this was an offense against their race, then I would not have a problem with changing it. But if it is a group of lawyers, and a small non-representative sampling, then they need to move on. In my view, it is the latter.

This I agree with this. Let it be known that some of the nationalities that are represented by NFL teams were known to cause violence against other groups of people: The Vikings and the Buccaneers just to name a couple. Both have either caused death or larceny. We can expand into other sports and look at names like "Pirates", who have committed terrorist attacks on civilian ships at sea, even in the recent few years. Yet, nobody complains about the glorification of those names and how they are represented in the NFL and other pro leagues.

This is where I think such arguments are pretty silly. Considering the fact that you don't have to really look that hard to find fault in half the other NFL team names. I'm sure Atheists think New Orleans' moniker is silly and might even find offense with it. The Raiders? The Vikings? The Buccaneers? I mean, really? Then you can dig further into college and I'm sure people would find offense to using "Blue Devils" which has a devil as a mascot. Demons? The fighting Irish? So, are Irish people violent?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Unless you are Native American, your feeling on the matter (either way) is irrelevant. Borderline self-serving.

Well if you looked at the pannell discussing the isue Friday you would have seen it was like 3 Indians and the rest of the 15 some speakers were either white or black. So the Indians that have an issue with the name didn't have an issue with different races speaking for them.

[irish]

I think when the name finally does change it wont be in reaction to a lawsuit or court case because the team and the NFL will not want it to look like they have been forced into the change, they will want it to appear that the change was made on their own terms. Much like women members at Augusta National, one morning we are going to wake up one morning and hear hear the announcement. It will get a lot of play for a day and then be no big deal. Augusta did it on their terms and so will the Skins & the NFL.

As for team names I'd really like Americans or or maybe Hogs.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by irish

I think when the name finally does change it wont be in reaction to a lawsuit or court case because the team and the NFL will not want it to look like they have been forced into the change, they will want it to appear that the change was made on their own terms. Much like women members at Augusta National, one morning we are going to wake up one morning and hear hear the announcement. It will get a lot of play for a day and then be no big deal. Augusta did it on their terms and so will the Skins & the NFL.

As for team names I'd really like Americans or or maybe Hogs.

It will never happen but I think if it ever did, the name should be Washington Pigskins. Similar to our current name but is football related. That is unless the United Pig Processors Union finds it offensive and brings suit.

Or just simply the Washington Skins. Lots of people already call us the "Skins" for short.

[irish]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

It will never happen but I think if it ever did, the name should be Washington Pigskins. Similar to our current name but is football related. That is unless the United Pig Processors Union finds it offensive and brings suit.

Or just simply the Washington Skins. Lots of people already call us the "Skins" for short.

I also agree that when name was changed to Redskins back in the day it wasnt meant as a slur but times change and now it is viewed as a slur so for better or worse its going to change. My wallet is hoping it happens in the next 5 years.

When the name changes I dont expect it to be anything close to the word Redskins or have anything to do with Native Americans. It wont have Skin in it and I dont see it being Warrior or Braves either. That said I do think the name Pigskins is clever.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by irish

I also agree that when name was changed to Redskins back in the day it wasnt meant as a slur but times change and now it is viewed as a slur so for better or worse its going to change. My wallet is hoping it happens in the next 5 years.

When the name changes I dont expect it to be anything close to the word Redskins or have anything to do with Native Americans. It wont have Skin in it and I dont see it being Warrior or Braves either. That said I do think the name Pigskins is clever.

Agreed, but I think they could still go with Warriors while avoiding any NA iconography. Golden State (NBA) and my old high school did the same thing.
Not that it would happen, but I remember thinking a few years ago, right around when the movie 300 was released, that an Ancient Greek or Roman warrior would be pretty badass mascot and it would sort of make sense with the architecture of DC.



Then again, I guess people of Greek or Roman descent would eventually start complaining... shit

[CrustyRedskin]

Does Pale Moon still sing the National Anthem a Redskins games?? If not they should get her back.