ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List

[donofriose]

Elites are basically quarterbacks that will always put up big numbers and put your team in a position to win games, basically the 4 quarterbacks that are in every persons top 5:
Tom Brady
Aaron Rogers
Peyton manning
Drew Brees

The folks that rotate for the 5th spot (basically the qbs that you can argue for and against): Eli, Ryan, flacco and Big Ben.

Everyone else still has a lot to prove or has just one good season(rookies) and just need to show more consistency.

[Chico23231]

the numbers Brees has put up the last 2 season are incredible. Lead all QBs in yardage while breaking the all time season yardage mark and in touchdowns.

So tell me again how Flacco jumps Brees this year? Dude is gettin Sean Payton back with a massive chip on his shoulder. NFC South is gonna be fun to watch this year, I think the Saints rebound to win it.

NFL - Statistics by Position - Yahoo! Sports

[donofriose]

Drew Bree's almost threw double the amount of touchdowns flacco threw this past year... Without a coach. I don't think there is really a comparison between joe flacco who's never thrown over 30 touchdown passes and a guy who has thrown for over 5000 yards and 40 plus touchdowns in back to back seasons. Some of it is the system but most of it is drew Brees being an elite quarterback. Throwing for 40+ touchdowns in back to back years is remarkable regardless of system. It's just my opinion but drew Brees is a first ballot hall of famer, flacco at this point in his career wouldn't be close to getting in.

[NC_Skins]

Smoot, can you get somebody at ESPN to drug test Jaws....

[Mechanix544]

Philip Rivers and Eli Manning to me are as close as you can get to each other talent wise. I believe that if Rivers had Eli's receivers and running backs, as well as defense, he would have done what Eli did. If Eli had the Chargers team around him that Rivers has had, he prolly would have performed closely to what Rivers did....(although, maybe with a couple more INT's than Rivers, but who's counting)

***(edit)***Actually, Id give the edge to Rivers after checking some stats. Eli's passer rating is 82, and philip rivers is almost 95 over their respective careers. Also, Eli is barely sniffing 58% completion percentage, and Rivers is over 64%. So in terms of overall talent, Id give it to Rivers. Eli has always had a better coach though, and a much better defense.

BTW - neither of them are elite. Eli throws WAY too many INTs to be considered elite, and Rivers hasn't led his team to anything other than a couple playoff berths and disappointment. Id take RG3 over both of them 50 million times a week and 51 million times on sunday.

[donofriose]

Eli Manning is the complete opposite to his brother, during the regular season he is eh but then the post season comes around... There aren't that many quarterbacks I am taking over Eli. Maybe Brady but he has outplayed Brady twice in super bowls.
Rivers hasn't had the post season performances that Eli has had so its not really fair to compare the two in my opinion, plus I never like to play "well if he was on this team" game.

[CultBrennan59]

Just remember, Eli and his dad were a bunch of cry babies saying that they didn't want Eli to go to San Diego because AJ Smith aka "the lord of no rings" as Archie called him, was the GM of the chargers. Had AJ Smith been the GM of the giants, Rivers is in New York with most likely 2 Super Bowls and Eli is in San Diego with maybe 1 Super Bowl. And you would be tooting your horn about how great Rivers is.

[skinsfaninok]

Pure beauty.

[skinsfan69]

Eli is not an elite QB. He's too streaky of a passer, still makes throws a rookie would make. There is no way you put him in the class of Brady, Rogers, Brees...he's just not that level of QB.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Eli is not an elite QB. He's too streaky of a passer, still makes throws a rookie would make. There is no way you put him in the class of Brady, Rogers, Brees...he's just not that level of QB.

I fully understand the discussion of whether Eli is Elite or not is a perspective thing but this started when HG28 put him in the class with Rivers and Romo , Stafford , Dalton ...post #98 . One super bowl victory might be luck, 2 is not !

As I said back in post #81 of this thread , that it depends on what criteria is being used for the list .Stats for other positions might determine the best , kickers , receivers ,etc but as for QB's and coach's its winning championships that matter a fact the NFL network has been pushing as of late.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I fully understand the discussion of whether Eli is Elite or not is a perspective thing but this started when HG28 put him in the class with Rivers and Romo , Stafford , Dalton ...post #98 . One super bowl victory might be luck, 2 is not !

As I said back in post #81 of this thread , that it depends on what criteria is being used for the list .Stats for other positions might determine the best , kickers , receivers ,etc but as for QB's and coach's its winning championships that matter a fact the NFL network has been pushing as of late.

If you look at the overall body of work then I can understand why HG28 is putting him in the same class as Rivers and Stafford. To me they're comparable QB's, with Eli getting the slight edge because of his playoff success. However, Romo is clearly behind Manning simply because he hurts his team with stupid mistakes in the most crucial moments. Dalton is not yet in the discussion.

[Chico23231]

When I think "elite" I just dont think of Eli. He's not consistent enough. Right now: Peyton, Aaron Rodgers, Brees, and Brady are my elites. Eli is just on the outside looking in, Id probably rank him 6 or 7 best QB in the league right now.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

When I think "elite" I just dont think of Eli. He's not consistent enough. Right now: Peyton, Aaron Rodgers, Brees, and Brady are my elites. Eli is just on the outside looking in, Id probably rank him 6 or 7 best QB in the league right now.

And there's what I posted about Rivers, Rothlisberger might deserve consideration for #6-7, Flacco.... Eli may be top 10, if you don't consider guys like Newton, Kaep, RGIII, RW, and Luck.

HTTR

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

And there's what I posted about Rivers, Rothlisberger might deserve consideration for #6-7, Flacco.... Eli may be top 10, if you don't consider guys like Newton, Kaep, RGIII, RW, and Luck.

HTTR

You cant consider RG3, Wilson or Luck based on 1 year of play.

Id take Rothlisberger over Flacco and Rivers all day, probably not Eli.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You cant consider RG3, Wilson or Luck based on 1 year of play.

Id take Rothlisberger over Flacco and Rivers all day, probably not Eli.

No disagreement on the rookies/sophmores.

Big Ben would kill to have the protection Eli's had, and all the QBs mentioned are more reliable than Eli.