All things off season 2015.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Brody81

How do you know Cousins has hit his ceiling. If he can stop throwing picks, he could be a really good QB. What makes you think Griffin can become a pocket passer?

He is a pretty tall guy, so hitting his ceiling isn't unfeasible at all.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Hells no.

Cousins has hit his ceiling and it is not good enough.

Griffin can get better, although we might ship him anyway so that he can ignore another team's coach's advice.

Time for a QB housecleaning.

What QB in the NFL hits their ceiling after playing less than half a season? LOL. He still has more passing yards, more td passes, more passes over 20 yards, they have about the same pass attempts yet Griffin has been sacked way more. Sorry but KC shows MUCH more upside than Griffin and the numbers show it. KC just needs to cut down his turnovers which he can do, and also show better body language/mental toughness. Those things seem more coachable over a lack of field vision, holding the ball, taking sacks and throwing late. If I have to cut bait with one, Griffin is packing his bags and I'm moving on from the drama.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What QB in the NFL hits their ceiling after playing less than half a season? LOL. He still has more passing yards, more td passes, more passes over 20 yards, they have about the same pass attempts yet Griffin has been sacked way more. Sorry but KC shows MUCH more upside than Griffin and the numbers show it. KC just needs to cut down his turnovers which he can do, and also show better body language/mental toughness. Those things seem more coachable over a lack of field vision, holding the ball, taking sacks and throwing late. If I have to cut bait with one, Griffin is packing his bags and I'm moving on from the drama.

This.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

what qb in the nfl hits their ceiling after playing less than half a season? Lol. He still has more passing yards, more td passes, more passes over 20 yards, they have about the same pass attempts yet griffin has been sacked way more. Sorry but kc shows much more upside than griffin and the numbers show it. Kc just needs to cut down his turnovers which he can do, and also show better body language/mental toughness. Those things seem more coachable over a lack of field vision, holding the ball, taking sacks and throwing late. If i have to cut bait with one, griffin is packing his bags and i'm moving on from the drama.

this x1000000

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What QB in the NFL hits their ceiling after playing less than half a season? LOL. He still has more passing yards, more td passes, more passes over 20 yards, they have about the same pass attempts yet Griffin has been sacked way more. Sorry but KC shows MUCH more upside than Griffin and the numbers show it. KC just needs to cut down his turnovers which he can do, and also show better body language/mental toughness. Those things seem more coachable over a lack of field vision, holding the ball, taking sacks and throwing late. If I have to cut bait with one, Griffin is packing his bags and I'm moving on from the drama.

We'll have to agree to disagree. See the bolded: he has NEVER done that stuff. The things you think need to change haven't changed at all since his freshman year at Mich. St. That's seven years that he's been the same guy, throwing picks because of both errant passes and poor decisions. How much more of a long-term track record do we need than seven years?

If Rex Grossman could have changed that stuff, he'd have been an all-pro. But old habits die hard, for Grossman as for Cousins. Some things don't change.

And without those changes, Cousins remains the guy he is today: not good enough.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Would u guys rather shop griffin for let's say a 3rd or 4th and then keep cousins going forward?

Yes.. I think trading cousins would come back to haunt us..

[sdskinsfan2001]

Griffin just needs to get his confidence back. Drop back and let that baby rip!!! Fire that fuc*ing pigskin!!

I think he'll be a lot better next year. Especially if the o-line gets beefed up with some real fatboys.

I want him to be the QB next year, preferably by outplaying anyone else on the roster by a wide margin in off season workouts/pre-season.

I'd be more open to trading Cousins.

[skinsfaninok]

I just. Hate losing both guys that we drafted that yr but o well honestly it's probably never going to work out with griffin

[Giantone]

You might be able to cut a deal with the Bills , Kyle Orton has retired .

Bills QB Kyle Orton announces retirement

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I just. Hate losing both guys that we drafted that yr but o well honestly it's probably never going to work out with griffin

We could still salvage a Qb from that draft class by picking up Ryan Lindley.

[sdskinsfan2001]

^^^ And by listening to coaches and running the plays and reads properly.

[Chico23231]

ugh QB issues...I say you keep both guys (RG3 and Kirk) and maybe add a another...errr Mike Glennon...and we have an old fashion QB royal rumble going into the season. Hire a QB coach, let everybody know we dont have a starter and expectations say let it play out on the field.

I want to see midget face bounce though, for reals

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

ugh QB issues...I say you keep both guys (RG3 and Kirk) and maybe add a another...errr Mike Glennon...and we have an old fashion QB royal rumble going into the season. Hire a QB coach, let everybody know we dont have a starter and expectations say let it play out on the field.

I want to see midget face bounce though, for reals

Gruden basically said in his press conference that competition would only be between two QB's and he'd like to make a decision quickly. But it did sound like that's where it's going. I think it's between McCoy and Griffin as they seem to love McCoy's noodle arm. I also think KC will be traded to Cleveland.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Gruden basically said in his press conference that competition would only be between two QB's and he'd like to make a decision quickly. But it did sound like that's where it's going. I think it's between McCoy and Griffin as they seem to love McCoy's noodle arm. I also think KC will be traded to Cleveland.

I have this gut feeling its going to be between Kirk and RG3. Or Colt and Kirk

[The Dull Roar]

I wonder if there is anyway that we could hire Marc Trestman as our QB coach. Apparently he's a "Quarterback Whisperer." I'm not sure he would be willing to settle for that much of a demotion though.