Redskins 2015 Signings (and Re-Signings) Thread

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Last I checked we don't have a starter at either safety spot... why is everyone not concerned with both spots???

I like Phillip Thomas, given a chance he could be a starter. He's behind due to injuries, I have high hopes for him.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I like Phillip Thomas, given a chance he could be a starter. He's behind due to injuries, I have high hopes for him.

I like him to, doesn't mean that he has shown it's his job. Competition would only make him better. A typical safety takes 2-4 years to be ready to start in the nfl.

[hutch17]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I like Phillip Thomas, given a chance he could be a starter. He's behind due to injuries, I have high hopes for him.

We have Ihenacho too, he was resigned this offseason, I remember liking him with the Broncos, what does everyone think of him and why does no on talk about the guy?

[SFREDSKIN]

People are fixated on what round safeties are drafted on. McC has drafted Richard Sherman a CB in the 5th round, Dashon Goldson on the 4th round. Who's to say he can't find a S in the mid rounds. Chancellor was also a 5th round pick. J. Johnson and Sherman are both from Compton, just saying.

[CRedskinsRule]

And the fact that he was a leading special team tackler, to me, says he understands angles, has speed, and can tackle. Not bad things for a safety to have.

[REDSKINS4ever]

The signing of Chris Culliver all but assures that he will be the starting corner opposite Breeland. If Amerson can't cut it as a nickel back then he doesn't belong in the NFL.

[mrreddman]

From all that i have read about Jeron Johnson have been extremely positive..and im not talking about from Redskin sites or sources either. Im sure our new GM is very familiar with him and knows what he can do as well. Check out the Youtube video of his draft profile coming out of college. Four year starter.. leading tackler for 3 years..agressive explosive tackler...with speed. only real knock on him was his average size and athletic ability. You cant really knock him for only having 1 PD if he never really got playing time in Seahawks all world secondary. That said..he stayed on their roster and was a special teams demon.. I would love to see us sign this kid. He seems like an up and comer with the drive and hunger to play well for us. Just the kind of player we need and he wont cost a fortune either.

[hutch17]

Originally Posted by mrreddman

From all that i have read about Jeron Johnson have been extremely positive..and im not talking about from Redskin sites or sources either. Im sure our new GM is very familiar with him and knows what he can do as well. Check out the Youtube video of his draft profile coming out of college. Four year starter.. leading tackler for 3 years..agressive explosive tackler...with speed. only real knock on him was his average size and athletic ability. You cant really knock him for only having 1 PD if he never really got playing time in Seahawks all world secondary. That said..he stayed on their roster and was a special teams demon.. I would love to see us sign this kid. He seems like an up and comer with the drive and hunger to play well for us. Just the kind of player we need and he wont cost a fortune either.

I just went to look up his highlights and it turns out he is the one who got the QB pressure on Cousins to end the playoff game in 12', it would be like he is coming full circle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WknnBsjAOk

[hutch17]

Originally Posted by mrreddman

From all that i have read about Jeron Johnson have been extremely positive..and im not talking about from Redskin sites or sources either. Im sure our new GM is very familiar with him and knows what he can do as well. Check out the Youtube video of his draft profile coming out of college. Four year starter.. leading tackler for 3 years..agressive explosive tackler...with speed. only real knock on him was his average size and athletic ability. You cant really knock him for only having 1 PD if he never really got playing time in Seahawks all world secondary. That said..he stayed on their roster and was a special teams demon.. I would love to see us sign this kid. He seems like an up and comer with the drive and hunger to play well for us. Just the kind of player we need and he wont cost a fortune either.

Dude is a Thumper, it would be really nice to have someone roaming the backfield that gives receivers alligator arms again because they know they are about to get destroyed, Like ST used to. ( I am not comparing the two directly, jus the concept). You can't fault him at all for not starting, I truly hate the seahawks they are right up there with the cowboys and eagles for me, but there is no denying that their safeties are beasts and some of the best in the league.

On another note has anyone else noticed that a lot of players come out and speak really highly of and are loyal to Scot McC, It seems unusual for a GM to have that, usually it is reserved for a coach. We really got a good one there and I think any of his former players that we want, w have a true chance at landing.

[That Guy]

j johnson is a good depth and special teamer at worst. he's not any worse than all the other bad options at safety... at least he has some upside.

I think it'll be culliver/breeland outside, hall in the slot, amerson on the bench. hall could play FS, but he's so severely undersized that he'd be a durability concern. I don't think putting amerson there solves anything (he's be just as bad at FS as he is as a CB). hopefully we can ditch tracy porter now. he got $2M for playing 2 downs last year, #$@#$@.

trying to trade down to land the only decent safety in the top 2 rounds is a terrible idea btw. you're betting that the staff likes him, he'd fit, and that no one else would take him. it's also like giving yourself tunnel-vision and missing out on potentially better options for the skins future (like an elite pass rusher).

scot's offseason is running a solid A+ in my books (assuming culliver's off field issues don't affect his status with the team). the safe pick in the draft would be an OLB/pass rusher, grabbing j johnson and hoping he's good... and i have no idea where you're going to find a RT or starting safety right now though. we might just be scanning camp cuts for depth and waiting till next year if no one emerges. oh, and we need better QB play, so there's still that.

[Irrefutable]

Johnson may become a good player, however there is no evidence that he deserves a contract much more the the 5th year minimum

Jeron Johnson, SS for the Seattle Seahawks at NFL.com

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

Johnson may become a good player, however there is no evidence that he deserves a contract much more the the 5th year minimum

Jeron Johnson, SS for the Seattle Seahawks at NFL.com

He's young, has plenty of potential upside, and has been part of a well-coached, well-disciplined defense.

No, he shouldn't get a "break the bank contract" but, there is shortage of true blue chip safeties on the market, and the current going rate for "just-a-guy" safeteys is well above vet minimums.

Bottom line, if you think Johnson is going to be signed for a vet min contract, (with all due respect) you're delusional.

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[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

He's young, has plenty of potential upside, and has been part of a well-coached, well-disciplined defense.

No, he shouldn't get a "break the bank contract" but, there is shortage of true blue chip safeties on the market, and the current going rate for "just-a-guy" safeteys is well above vet minimums.

Bottom line, if you think Johnson is going to be signed for a vet min contract, (with all due respect) you're delusional.

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'' much more " than the NFL minimum = about $1 million in the first year, with a small signing bonus... does he have any contract offers ?

if you think he has proven he deserves a middle level contract you are delusional. The guy has one play on his highlight video- the guy is a sleeper, who appears to be getting minimal interested- there is no reason to pay him $3 or $4 million a year.

Rahim Moore got $ 4 million a year- Patrick Chung got $2.7 million

WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Free Agents - Safeties

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

if you think he has proven he deserves a middle level contract you are delusional. The guy has one play on his highlight video- the guy is a sleeper, who appears to be getting minimal interested- unless he has good offers,
there is no reason to pay him $3 or $4 million a year.

Rahim Moore got $ 4 million a year- Patrick Chung got $2.7 million

WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Free Agents - Safeties

What reliable source has indicated the Skins would over pay him? So far the contracts have been reasonable, and since BA has been here I think the Skins have made most if not all of their contracts within good salary cap management.

That said, if they put together a contract that has incentives and escalators that get him a number he will come here for, then his stats are far less important than the fact that he has been on a team that has incredible safety play and that Scot knows him from his rookie days and can evaluate how he has progressed.

Given our dearth of talent (maybe PT is an answer maybe not) at safety, bringing in a young player with upside for the right contract wouldn't be a bad thing. Might he be a dud, yes, but a well written contract protects the team from that. He might also be a capable safety who brings stability to the position and a well written contract provides him with the incentives to show it.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

'' much more " than the NFL minimum = about $1 million in the first year, with a small signing bonus... does he have any contract offers ?

if you think he has proven he deserves a middle level contract you are delusional. The guy has one play on his highlight video- the guy is a sleeper, who appears to be getting minimal interested- there is no reason to pay him $3 or $4 million a year.

Rahim Moore got $ 4 million a year- Patrick Chung got $2.7 million

Seattle slapped a second round tender on him last year as a RFA which entitled him to a salary of ~$2.2M although he restructured the deal. Bottom line, he was making close to 2.0M last year. He is looking for a place to start b/c he has been stuck behind Chancellor/Thomas but I seriously doubt he is willing to take a pay cut to do so.

Reports: Seahawks place second-round tender on S Jeron Johnson | Seahawks Blog | Seattle Times
Recent news on Jeron Johnson - Unsigned Free Agent - Rotoworld.com

In part the tender was placed on him last year b/c:

Many in Seattle’s organization feel Johnson could be a starter elsewhere if he had the opportunity.

The second-round tender placed on Johnson reflects Seattle’s belief other teams will be seriously interested in his services this offseason.

Seahawks place second-round tender on Jeron Johnson | ProFootballTalk

As I said, folks have been talking about him since before the market opened. Here is a good break down on him (from February):

"Hasn't gotten a ton of action because of the players in front of him (Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas), but when he's played he's been solid. He's a box safety more than anything -- strong against the run, a strong tackler, physical, tenacious," Kelly said. "He's a mainstay on special teams. Is useful in "big nickel" situations where you want a little more speed without sacrificing too much in tackling ability. It's tough to know how good he'd be in a starting role because he's rarely played."

Kelly does expect Johnson to seek a team where he could compete for a starting job.

"The Seahawks probably will make him a lowish offer but he's said that while he's loved it in Seattle, he wants to start somewhere, so it's likely he'll look for a new team," Kelly said.

Other teams that could be in play for Johnson include the Jacksonville Jaguars, where former Seattle defensive coordinator Gus Bradley is head coach, and the Washington Redskins. New Washington GM Scot McCloughan was a member of the Seattle personnel department when Johnson was signed.

New York Giants Potential Free-Agent Target: Jeron Johnson, S, Seattle Seahawks - Big Blue View

Several twitter insider folks have been talking about this guy for a while and are now saying that several teams have an interest in him:

‏@MikeGarafolo [Fox Sports] S Jeron Johnson getting action. Visiting the Redskins. Has other interest as well. Good special teamer and backup for Seattle last 4 years.

@Rand_Getlin [Yahoo Sports] Safety Jeron Johnson is visiting the #Redskins, per a league source. Market heating up for him. Super talented player.

So, has he "proven he deserves a middle level contract"? I concede he has not done so by his play - mainly b/c he has been stuck behind a couple of pro-bowlers. However, is he likely to get such a contract from someone based on his apparent reputation amongst the football people who are paid to know these things and appear to be interested in him according to the people who are paid to find out things from the football people.

If the Skins want to sign him, I would suggest it will have to be for a contract that is, at a minimum, in the $2-3M/year range and possibly approaching the $4M/year range with incentives. Bottom line, if Scot McC thinks he's worth it, I am more than good with it.