New Look Defense

[Evilgrin]

Speed to the sidelines and in the second level was a big problem, along with bad angles and everything else.

[JoeRedskin]

^^ I agree. Out team speed on D strikes me as pretty mediocre.

[Evilgrin]

They are trying to get more picks in a super deep defensive line draft.

[That Guy]

hatcher and goldson were released because of their contracts, if they're cheap enough, of course they'd want them back. it's just whether they can agree on a price point or not.

[DYoungJelly]

The most interesting nugget in this is that Murphy will be working with the DL and converting to end:

Ryan Kerrigan says Washington Redskins hungrier after 2015 success - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

The most interesting nugget in this is that Murphy will be working with the DL and converting to end:

Ryan Kerrigan says Washington Redskins hungrier after 2015 success - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN

I'm looking forward to seeing what Murphy can do at DE. He's stout against the run and he has some pass rush ability, so I think he could help us as a DE if he can put on more weight and still be effective.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I'm looking forward to seeing what Murphy can do at DE. He's stout against the run and he has some pass rush ability, so I think he could help us as a DE if he can put on more weight and still be effective.

It's his last chance, so he needs to deliver.

[30gut]

Do they mean he's attempting to move to a 5-tech DE as in 34 Base D? Or do they mean a DE in a 4 man line that we use upwards of 65% of the time?

Saying a 34 OLB is moving to DE is vague.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Do they mean he's attempting to move to a 5-tech DE as in 34 Base D? Or do they mean a DE in a 4 man line that we use upwards of 65% of the time?

Saying a 34 OLB is moving to DE is vague.

They are talking about moving to a base 3-4 DE, he already plays DE in nickle.

Gruden is talking about him playing 5 tech here:

With Move Inside, Trent Murphy's Bulking Up Phase Well Underway

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

It's his last chance, so he needs to deliver.

it's not like he was terrible last year, but he's not fast, and that was known pre-draft, so coverage was never going to be a strong point. DL seems like a better fit.

[30gut]

didn't want to start a new thread...

By Football Outsiders:

Defense 2016

25th Overall
27th Weighted
24th Pass
25th Run

DL:
Run rank 27th
Pass Rush rank 9th

Defense 2015

21st Overall
20th Weighted
20th Pass
22nd Run

DL
Run rank 24th
Pass Rush rank 9th

[Meks]

Bulking up for him isnt a bad thing either way, little more size, as long as he works on keeping his quickness, could do good things in his continued development.

[JoeRedskin]

We'll see. He was a solid but unspectacular 3-4 OLB (essentially a borderline quality starter) at a position which really needs a guy with more pop (Hellooooo Junior). 3-4 DE's strike me as position in which the main job is to hold the point of attack and keep the LB's clean - any pass rush or penetration is just gravy. Part of me thinks this is the job TM was made to do, the only question is will he be able to put on the meat to do it at this level.

Just my perception. Really never understood the 3-4 DE's role. Always viewed them as basically 4-3 DT's. I am open to education: Just what is the 5 technique 3-4 DT responsible for? What is their role in our D as currently schemed?

[JoeRedskin]

Google is a great thing:

Draft Terminology: The "Three Technique" and the "Five Technique" - Dawgs By Nature

•Physical and strong
•Able to play two gaps versus the run; able to shoot their hands right up into an offensive tackle's chest, stand him up, and then shed his block and move to either side of him to make a tackle.
•More intelligent or good at getting a read on what the offense is doing
•Not necessarily extremely quick or athletic, though this can be a bonus.

If TM can get to 285 and retain short area quickness (getting his hands in place fast, and having a decent first step - both of which I think he has), I think he has a shot at being really good. The article indicates that certain schemes like their 3-4 DE's huge. In the trenches, bulk often is simply a substitute for strength. IF TM has the strength to "stand [a 300+ pound OT] him up, and then shed his block," he will be great. Just not sure he will have the strength to make up for the lack of bulk.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Google is a great thing:

Draft Terminology: The "Three Technique" and the "Five Technique" - Dawgs By Nature



If TM can get to 285 and retain short area quickness (getting his hands in place fast, and having a decent first step - both of which I think he has), I think he has a shot at being really good. The article indicates that certain schemes like their 3-4 DE's huge. In the trenches, bulk often is simply a substitute for strength. IF TM has the strength to "stand [a 300+ pound OT] him up, and then shed his block," he will be great. Just not sure he will have the strength to make up for the lack of bulk.

TM would be more of a Wade Phillips (1 gap) DE in a 3-4 than a Dick Lebeau DE.

Wolf, a DE for Denver in 2015, has very similar height and weight to Murphy.