Thank You Kirk Cousins Thread

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You forgot to include this detail. Right from the get go.

He's a bit disingenuous with that statement. Our team had no other choice but to move on because he had no fucking intention of signing a long term deal with us. THAT is the big difference in the two "good byes". Yeah, he is a douche bag.

I forgot nothing, just pointed out the conclusion of Cousin's goodbye.

What's disingenuous about what you quoted? Cousins calls a spade a spade.

The idiot Redskins front office had plenty of choices to sign Cousins. They chose to use the franchise tag until they priced Kirk out of reach, with the climbing value of the tag and the market value of QBs. That is completely on the front office.

Here's a good summary of what the Redskin FO did:

Cousins Interview | The Team 980

The interview confirmed that Scot McCloughan was behind the team’s initial contract offer in late 2015. Cousins revealed that it happened before the Bears game in December of ’15. Cousins implied that McCloughan was smart and wanted to do it before the final few games of ’15 because he thought it was the right time to get a team-friendly deal. This is where the team’s initial offer was discussed. My understanding is that the initial offer/discussion in December of 2015 was for $12.5M per year. Cousins and his agent passed on the offer thinking that if he played well over the final few games and they were able to win the division the price would go much higher. Cousins played great down the stretch, the Skins won the division, and the price went up. According to reports at the time, when the season ended, the Redskins upped their offer to $16M per year/$24M guaranteed. This was an offer that was far short of Cousins’ market value especially after Brock Osweiler signed a deal for $18M per/$37M gtd in Houston. The reporting at the time was that Cousins would have signed a long-term deal at $19M per yr/$44M guaranteed. The Skins never came off the $16Mper/$24M gtd and hence, the first franchise tag was used. This was the moment the team must look back on and cringe. If they had ponied up and accepted the Cousins counter in early 2016, Cousins would currently be the 15th highest-paid QB in the league at $19M per year with still 3 years remaining on the contract. Not budging off the $16M/$24M led to the first tag and from the moment that first tag got slapped on Cousins, the ability to get a long-term deal was going to be more difficult, especially if he played well….and he did.

Numbers sure were low then compared to now, lol.

So the Redskins front office lowballed Cousins, dicked around for two years, and Cousins is at fault for trying to do right for himself, instead of just taking it?

Seriously, what do you think Cousins should have done? Keep in mind what offer the Skins didn't accept, and how the market value for QBs shot upwards recently.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

I forgot nothing, just pointed out the conclusion of Cousin's goodbye.

What's disingenuous about what you quoted? Cousins calls a spade a spade.

The idiot Redskins front office had plenty of choices to sign Cousins. They chose to use the franchise tag until they priced Kirk out of reach, with the climbing value of the tag and the market value of QBs. That is completely on the front office.

Here's a good summary of what the Redskin FO did:

Cousins Interview | The Team 980

The interview confirmed that Scot McCloughan was behind the team’s initial contract offer in late 2015. Cousins revealed that it happened before the Bears game in December of ’15. Cousins implied that McCloughan was smart and wanted to do it before the final few games of ’15 because he thought it was the right time to get a team-friendly deal. This is where the team’s initial offer was discussed. My understanding is that the initial offer/discussion in December of 2015 was for $12.5M per year. Cousins and his agent passed on the offer thinking that if he played well over the final few games and they were able to win the division the price would go much higher. Cousins played great down the stretch, the Skins won the division, and the price went up. According to reports at the time, when the season ended, the Redskins upped their offer to $16M per year/$24M guaranteed. This was an offer that was far short of Cousins’ market value especially after Brock Osweiler signed a deal for $18M per/$37M gtd in Houston. The reporting at the time was that Cousins would have signed a long-term deal at $19M per yr/$44M guaranteed. The Skins never came off the $16Mper/$24M gtd and hence, the first franchise tag was used. This was the moment the team must look back on and cringe. If they had ponied up and accepted the Cousins counter in early 2016, Cousins would currently be the 15th highest-paid QB in the league at $19M per year with still 3 years remaining on the contract. Not budging off the $16M/$24M led to the first tag and from the moment that first tag got slapped on Cousins, the ability to get a long-term deal was going to be more difficult, especially if he played well….and he did.

Numbers sure were low then compared to now, lol.

So the Redskins front office lowballed Cousins, dicked around for two years, and Cousins is at fault for trying to do right for himself, instead of just taking it?

Seriously, what do you think Cousins should have done? Keep in mind what offer the Skins didn't accept, and how the market value for QBs shot upwards recently.

Great post! +1

[WillH]

Drew Brees got 3mil less a year than KC. My first reaction was that's insane if that's what the market thought about these 2 QBs for the next 2-3 years.

Then I saw he was offered 30mil somewhere else, but turned it down to stay in NO...




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[Dan73]

Originally Posted by WillH

Drew Brees got 3mil less a year than KC. My first reaction was that's insane if that's what the market thought about these 2 QBs for the next 2-3 years.

Then I saw he was offered 30mil somewhere else, but turned it down to stay in NO...




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That is the difference between a franchise quarterback and a guy out for himself.

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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Dan73

That is the difference between a franchise quarterback and a guy out for himself.

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He wasn't like that before this contract. He went for max money.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

He wasn't like that before this contract. He went for max money.

He was always like that.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

He wasn't like that before this contract. He went for max money.

When Brees got paid he was one of the top 5 qbs in the league. He has redone his deal more than once for the team.

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[T.O.Killa]

First of all, Fuck Kirk Cousins. He is the first franchise quarterback, that I know of, that left his team. Greedy asshole. With that said, we could have paid him, the same thing Minnesota paid him, and saved money. The way I see it, to replace Fuller, your looking at 11 million a year. So combine that with Smiths salary, we would have saved money.

[MTK]

If he was truly going for max money he would have went to NY. Either way he’s played it perfectly and may be leading the way for fully guaranteed contracts in the future vs the bogus deals that are given out now.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by MTK

If he was truly going for max money he would have went to NY. Either way he’s played it perfectly and may be leading the way for fully guaranteed contracts in the future vs the bogus deals that are given out now.

Or if Minnesota fails and runs into cap problems he will be why teams don't offer those contracts.

We also don't know what others would offer.

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Dan73

Or if Minnesota fails and runs into cap problems he will be why teams don't offer those contracts.

We also don't know what others would offer.

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Haters are going to hate!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Dan73

Or if Minnesota fails and runs into cap problems he will be why teams don't offer those contracts.

We also don't know what others would offer.

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I’m sure the Vikings are well aware of how their cap projects over the next 3 years. This is hardly a deal that will handcuff them.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

I’m sure the Vikings are well aware of how their cap projects over the next 3 years. This is hardly a deal that will handcuff them.

If he tears an acl game 1 they are screwed for 3 years. Granted injuries are what they are, but they better make their oline better.

I will be interested (in an nfl fan way not KC specific) to see what happens at the end of the 3 years.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If he tears an acl game 1 they are screwed for 3 years. Granted injuries are what they are, but they better make their oline better.

I will be interested (in an nfl fan way not KC specific) to see what happens at the end of the 3 years.

We don’t know the details of the deal yet and what part of it could be guaranteed based on injury

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by MTK

I’m sure the Vikings are well aware of how their cap projects over the next 3 years. This is hardly a deal that will handcuff them.

We shall see they are already asking players to take pay cuts or be cut today.

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