The Haskins Threat 2.0

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

People will always find faults. Just own it if you don't like him you don't like him. I'm rolling with DH I got his back.

What is up with the ridiculous persecution complex?

Haskins was graded by most teams as a 2nd or 3rd round talent. The football people in our organization liked him, but didn't think he deserved to be drafted at 15. Snyder and Allen overruled the experts in the organization, like current defacto GM Kyle Smith, and reached for him at 15 anyways.

There were reports all offseason and during most of the regular season that Haskins was not taking the job seriously. That he wasn't putting in the work. And that his own team mates were put off by it. "Selfie-gate" got a lot of an attention, but it that was just one manifestation of a genuine, true, and very real underlying problem with Haskins that you don't have with the overwhelming majority of first round rookie starting QBs.

Bottom line - the criticism of Haskins was well-deserved.

Front office executives, Coaches, and players do not deserve our blind loyalty.

People will (and should) like or dislike a player, coach, or executive, based on their performance, work ethic, and commitment. If they work hard, take the job seriously, lead, and perform, fans will justifiably praise them. If they don't, they deserve criticism.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

What is up with the ridiculous persecution complex?

Haskins was graded by most teams as a 2nd or 3rd round talent. The football people in our organization liked him, but didn't think he deserved to be drafted at 15. Snyder and Allen overruled the experts in the organization, like current defacto GM Kyle Smith, and reached for him at 15 anyways.

There were reports all offseason and during most of the regular season that Haskins was not taking the job seriously. That he wasn't putting in the work. And that his own team mates were put off by it. "Selfie-gate" got a lot of an attention, but it that was just one manifestation of a genuine, true, and very real underlying problem with Haskins that you don't have with the overwhelming majority of first round rookie starting QBs.

Bottom line - the criticism of Haskins was well-deserved.

Front office executives, Coaches, and players do not deserve our blind loyalty.

People will (and should) like or dislike a player, coach, or executive, based on their performance, work ethic, and commitment. If they work hard, take the job seriously, lead, and perform, fans will justifiably praise them. If they don't, they deserve criticism.

You are spot on, us as fans sometimes get blinded by the truth.. It's been that way with me many times in the past. The team looks to be going in the right direction but as a fan of a letdown year after year, I'm not all in on the new train yet. Also if it means drafting Tua at #2 to make our franchise better than see ya Dwayne (I'm not saying we should) but I trust Ron and the new staff to make good decisions.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

You are spot on, us as fans sometimes get blinded by the truth.. It's been that way with me many times in the past. The team looks to be going in the right direction but as a fan of a letdown year after year, I'm not all in on the new train yet. Also if it means drafting Tua at #2 to make our franchise better than see ya Dwayne (I'm not saying we should) but I trust Ron and the new staff to make good decisions.

Agreed. I may be a fool, but, for the first time in two decades, I genuinely trust the decision-makers on this team. For the first time in that span, we have true football people making decisions in the front office. In Rivera and Smith I trust.

If they go "all-in" or "all-out" on Dwayne or any other player, i'm on board. If they feel certain players need to "prove it," i'm on board. Basically, i'm on board with whatever the team decides until I hear reports of Snyder meddling or some other dysfunction emerging.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

What is up with the ridiculous persecution complex?



Haskins was graded by most teams as a 2nd or 3rd round talent. The football people in our organization liked him, but didn't think he deserved to be drafted at 15. Snyder and Allen overruled the experts in the organization, like current defacto GM Kyle Smith, and reached for him at 15 anyways.



There were reports all offseason and during most of the regular season that Haskins was not taking the job seriously. That he wasn't putting in the work. And that his own team mates were put off by it. "Selfie-gate" got a lot of an attention, but it that was just one manifestation of a genuine, true, and very real underlying problem with Haskins that you don't have with the overwhelming majority of first round rookie starting QBs.



Bottom line - the criticism of Haskins was well-deserved.



Front office executives, Coaches, and players do not deserve our blind loyalty.



People will (and should) like or dislike a player, coach, or executive, based on their performance, work ethic, and commitment. If they work hard, take the job seriously, lead, and perform, fans will justifiably praise them. If they don't, they deserve criticism.

Haskins was rated by most as a first rounder who the Giants should have picked. The Redskins draft in 2019 was graded by some as THE BEST in the NFL, almost universally as an “A” grade right after the draft. This excellent analysis of our draft was by many sources that dislike Snyder and/or the franchise. Haskins did great at Ohio State (beat out Burrows) and his only down was his inexperience. Our very high draft grades from pundits cane because the team waited to get Haskins at 15 instead of trading up.

Sure Haskins was showing a little immaturity in the TC, because he was playing with the third-team behind two journeyman QB because Gruden needed to win now. But he talked to Alex Smith and got strengthened out by him and got back into studying and motivated. He had a terrible first game but got better to finish well. He played hurt, impressing his teammates. He improved, which impressed his teammates. He showed leadership.

For a rookie with significant handicaps: weak OL, no TE, rookie WR, Jurassic game plan he got better every game.

I’m behind Haskins now. He’s continuing to impress in the off season at Asburn with his work with Harmon and others. He’s bringing all the WR to Florida to work with them. Remember last season, he never practiced with the first team WR until in a regular game.

This offense will be much better than last year at OL, TE, WR and RB and most importantly in play-calling. This will ALL help Haskins -let’s see how he does!








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[skinsfaninok]

I'm a fan of his, I am on board of building around him. He's a kid still (u know what I mean)

[sdskinsfan2001]

I'm going with Rivera is an undercover genius, going with the 2 pronged accomplishments: Lighting a fire under Haskins (appears to be working) and ginning up a possible massive trade hall for the # 2 pick.

[sdskinsfan2001]

There is absolutely no way you don't give a kid with this arm talent a full 2nd season where he is a actually set up to be successful:

https://youtu.be/E3r5cxPiSDw

He has a rocket arm.

Note - McLaurin is an absolute monster. He has chance to be best WR in the league in a couple seasons.

[sdskinsfan2001]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...combine-risers

[mooby]

I'm all in on Haskins too. He's earned the opportunity to keep proving himself under Ron. If for some reason Ron doesn't like him I'm fine with moving on, but nothing Rivera has said indicates that's the case.

[sdskinsfan2001]

From one, PFF. Sounds familiar.

The case for building around Washington Redskins QB Dwayne Haskins:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-the-cas...dwayne-haskins

Its a premium article, which I don't have myself. But you can read a good chunk of it before it cuts off.

"He had just seven touchdowns to seven picks, but he actually had fewer turnover-worthy plays than interceptions."

Case of some bad luck it would seem.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

From one, PFF. Sounds familiar.

The case for building around Washington Redskins QB Dwayne Haskins:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-the-cas...dwayne-haskins

Its a premium article, which I don't have myself. But you can read a good chunk of it before it cuts off.

"He had just seven touchdowns to seven picks, but he actually had fewer turnover-worthy plays than interceptions."

Case of some bad luck it would seem.

Sam is great at his job, he's a writing wiz..

Great article , if you didn't get to read it all he I'll post a couple passages here:

He had just seven touchdowns to seven picks, but he actually had fewer turnover-worthy plays than interceptions. Typically, those numbers work in reverse (defenders drop a lot of would-be picks, so the number of interceptions is usually lower than the number of plays that should have been turnovers). Daniel Jones, for example, had 31 turnover-worthy plays compared to just 12 interceptions. Murray had six more, and Minshew had 12 more. Haskins, in fact, was the only rookie passer to end up with more turnovers than turnover-worthy plays, and that skews the narrative.

Haskins actually had by far the lowest turnover-worthy play rate (2.3%) of any of those rookie passers. But of course, mistakes are only one part of the story. Avoiding mistakes but rarely making any big plays on the other side consigns a passer to life as a “game manager,” which in today’s league might as well be synonymous with “career backup.”

Haskins was definitely too conservative at the start of his playing time, and overall, he ended the year with just seven touchdowns and eight big-time throws, but what’s interesting was how he opened up as the season wore on. Indeed, while it had been Terry McLaurin that had been looking like a star all year despite the quarterback play, suddenly he couldn’t haul in a couple of Haskins’ best throws.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Sam is great at his job, he's a writing wiz..

Great article , if you didn't get to read it all he I'll post a couple passages here:

He had just seven touchdowns to seven picks, but he actually had fewer turnover-worthy plays than interceptions. Typically, those numbers work in reverse (defenders drop a lot of would-be picks, so the number of interceptions is usually lower than the number of plays that should have been turnovers). Daniel Jones, for example, had 31 turnover-worthy plays compared to just 12 interceptions. Murray had six more, and Minshew had 12 more. Haskins, in fact, was the only rookie passer to end up with more turnovers than turnover-worthy plays, and that skews the narrative.

Haskins actually had by far the lowest turnover-worthy play rate (2.3%) of any of those rookie passers. But of course, mistakes are only one part of the story. Avoiding mistakes but rarely making any big plays on the other side consigns a passer to life as a “game manager,” which in today’s league might as well be synonymous with “career backup.”

Haskins was definitely too conservative at the start of his playing time, and overall, he ended the year with just seven touchdowns and eight big-time throws, but what’s interesting was how he opened up as the season wore on. Indeed, while it had been Terry McLaurin that had been looking like a star all year despite the quarterback play, suddenly he couldn’t haul in a couple of Haskins’ best throws.

I also think you have to take into consideration who DH had to throw to which was pretty much nobody. His top weapon was a rookie like himself. All things considered he did pretty good.

[Buffalo Bob]

A good tight end is one of a rookie QB's best friends. Jeremy Sprinkle had 241 receiving yards, the most for a TE on the 2019 Redskins.

[skinsfaninok]

Still say Reed would have balled out if it wasn't for that dirty fucking hit in Atlanta

[NYCskinfan82]

Question who had better WR's in College (A) D. Haskins, (B) Tua, (C) Burrow.