Post Draft: Who do you want at WR2 / X Receiver?

[NC_Skins]

I told mothafuckers that Brandon Aiyuk was a headcase long back and people still raged about getting him on the team. The man is poor version of Antonio Brown. Fuck him and his psychotic self. He needs therapy and is blowing away his entire career.

No chance he's on the Commanders at this point.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I told mothafuckers that Brandon Aiyuk was a headcase long back and people still raged about getting him on the team. The man is poor version of Antonio Brown. Fuck him and his psychotic self. He needs therapy and is blowing away his entire career.

No chance he's on the Commanders at this point.

I love the fervor!
Gimme some ass kicking smurf ass Gary Clark!
You get it!

THANK YOU!

[WCommandersfan99]

Receivers and JD5 working out in So Cal:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...-in-california

Hard to not cheer for JD5. Really hope he stays healthy this year.

[skinsnut]

Part of me wants a less than stellar Deebo back to get some nasty 5 yard screens.
It is an attitude that I always appreciated. He's basically a wide TE. As long as we have some sort of wide speed deep threat, why not have both? I mean NASTY is a thing. There is a RIGGO element I identity with, not so much victim Aiyuk premidona shit.
Football is ass kicking. Attitude is everything.

[AnonEmouse]

I'm not enlightened enough on what we have, at least until camp, so I'm looking at what's available. I can see the logic of bringing in Diggs and Samuel on 1 year deals so we can hopefully draft our next #1 and #2 WR's next year (on the assumption Scary is gone inside 3 years). I don't want Aiyuk now; the guy appears unhinged at this point. I look at the likes of the Bengals. A prime #1 WR, solid #2 and a reliable TE target. I'd say we're almost there for the next year or two, but beyond that we must find draft talent and not a stream of FA's and low round picks. Diggs would be a true #2 and Deebo gives us that slot/screen/gadget guy again. I really wish some of the depth talent would step up, but we can't rely on them to do that and so we need at least one insurance guy in place. I say both of them. With Scary and Okonkwo we should have at least 1 guy open every play, and massively reduce JD5's need to run.

[MTK]

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/st...171640900.html

Welp what now

[skinsnut]

Well, kinda see why the Patriots cut him. Diggs is solid, but his home life is a problem.
Certainly not a self disciplined person off the field. Another shame, but this was known all along. There is really no one else that is McClauren injury insurance.

We may have no choice but to roll with our under impressive wr corp

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by MTK

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/st...171640900.html

Welp what now

I don't think Diggs or Aiyuk is in the cards for this team at this point. They probably bring back Deebo on the cheap.

[calia]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I don't think Diggs or Aiyuk is in the cards for this team at this point. They probably bring back Deebo on the cheap.

I’d be ok with that. He played well for us last year with not a lot of help around him. Showed up and worked hard. Was a good teammate by all accounts. Be curious to see him in a new offense. I could see him working like a 3rd TE in 3 TE sets.


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[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I don't think Diggs or Aiyuk is in the cards for this team at this point. They probably bring back Deebo on the cheap.

I like Deebo too, the issue is does he really add anything that say McCafferty couldn't do.
I mean a ton of WR screens and end arounds isn't really hard to reproduce.
He is pretty clutch though, but its hard to drop passes when they are all under 10 yards.

I heard Fowler suggesting they talked about Diggs but were mainly looking for speed, so that would rule out Deebo, and probably Diggs as well as most older guys.
He may have just been making it up, but if he wasn't, there isn't a speed guy option out there, who wasn't seriously injured.
To me, the only way they find one like that is via trade, and I'm not so sure that's a great idea with next year's draft projected to be great. Maybe trade Luvu/Payne.
I am starting to suspect ther is an 80% chance we ride it out with what we have, and hope someone cuts a guy.
I don't like that approach, but in the long run, if we lose a bit this year and get a stellar coach and another #1 WR next year to become long term contenders, I am ok with that.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Let's sign Keenan. He is a great dude and caught 81 balls last year. He will essentially be Ertz, but at WR.

You need 7 yards, he will give you 7 yards. You need 8 yards, he will give you 7 yards.

[skinsnut]

So, here's the dilemma if we sign no one.

Terry is the X #1 hands down.

Antonio Williams is a Rookie, and my guess will not start game one due to complexities of the position and reading defenses and having to make choice routes, one mistake in slot and its a pick 6, game over. So, safest start for him to play early is outside, but I doubt it.

Treylon Burks, another projection like Williams. He hasn't produced. Why? lack of separation. He "should" be a starting #2 Z. The reality, he is better as a red zone situational Z to box out and use his big frame to win, he is similar to a wide TE, so in a way a Deebo type without end around ability. I don't see him as a full field Z.
He does offer size for blocking. But if he is situational, that's an advantage for the defense.

Van Jefferson is the opposite of Burks in this way. He is a technician who never drops the ball, frankly, I bet he is the best hands and route guy we have other than Terry. He is dependable, but has limited separation skills, he is probably the best of the rest, at least technically. His only crime? He is 30. I see him as our most of the time Z receiver because he can do it all and is not limited, but the organization doesn't want that, because they hope to develop anyone else who is younger. But he could be the majority of the field Z until Antionio Williams can figure it out. Jefferson is an excellent backup in my eyes, but he is the safest bet to start at Z based on his track record. (Although he can play all 3)

Dyami Brown, well, he's a one trick pony deep threat who drops. Somehow, he hasn't learned the NFL route tree either. If you put him out there, the defense knows you are running him deep, likely to target others underneath. His limitations are severe unless a lightbulb goes off NOW. I can't see any team relying on him as a starter, end of game, down by 10? Sure, why not. Feast or famine, perpetual backup with high upside. But dang, how many years has he wasted not learning the basics? Sad.

McCafferty? Unsure, he seems to get open (against zone) he is a huge wildcard. Should he start? Probably not. He is leaning though, he is an ideal backup. But if he is Terry's backup foe more than 1 game, we're in trouble, since he seems to have a separation problem against man, the slot or Z is probably better, he needs to be schemes open. I like him, as a backup.

Jalen Layne- where are you? It says a lot. He seems destined to be a special teams guy, another that hasn't yet learned the NFL route tree, duh. Perhaps a slot type Dyami who never develops beyond his physical attributes. But he is new, so who knows. But he is buried on a depth chart of ok guys, so he better get special teams TDs

So this is what I see at #2 Z
They want it to be Burks, but it will be Jefferson with Burks subbing in on short yardage and red zone heavy package
Dyami only shows up when down by 2 scores.

The slot should be McCafferty. They will scheme him open, he is smart. Jefferson also schemed open with a lot of motion. Heck, Jefferson could occasionally be on the line and Terry off the line in motion too. I see that trio most of the time early.
Antonio Williams won't see the field initially, and if they do, they may try him outside instead if Jefferson (who has great hands)

I wouldn't be surprised if they put Burks in tight occasionally as a huge slot on 3rd and 5.

All this to say, we have players that have some attributes to play Z, but none have all of them, so we are bogged down with 3 roster spots for 1 dude.
Depth is pretty good, but when every wr is some sort of specialist, the defense knows what you are doing. That is what makes McClauren so great.
Route tree? Check, separation? Check, clutch hands? Check
No one else has this.
Antonio Williams has potential, but until we see it, he is a backup, no better than Lane was

The troubling part is the rumor about us using play action suggests we want to disguise what we are doing on offense. If we have specialists at WR, we are making ourselves easy to defend. Not only are we doing that at WR, but we are doing it at RB too. Which is why everyone wants Bill to learn to pass block and catch passes. We also have this issue at TE. Bates can block, but doesn't catch much for instance. Why are we wanting so much defensive flexibility to disguise what we are doing, but on offense put short yard RB, Bates and Burks in? I mean, duh, I know what is coming. Doesn't that defeat the concept of play action? Yes you may be able to get some separation with motion, but when Dyami is on there, they KNOW he is going deep or will drop it.
We need well rounded players that can do it all, looking at you Sinnot, and Rachaad White and Terry and our QB of course. Unless Bill can pass block and catch or if Fatty can catch a few. I think White may surprise out of scheme necessity

[skinsnut]

So Hopkins or Deebo?
I prefer Hopkins, as he at least has #1 receiver experience

[GridIron26]

Lol well, at this point, I think it's pretty safe to assume that we are going to stick with what we currently have, like it or not.

No thanks to Hopkins - he is like Ertz at this point of his career, can make clutch catches and that's it.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Lol well, at this point, I think it's pretty safe to assume that we are going to stick with what we currently have, like it or not.

No thanks to Hopkins - he is like Ertz at this point of his career, can make clutch catches and that's it.

And who needs someone to make clutch catches? I guess having 1 is entirely enough.
Don't worry NFL defensive coordinators won't figure out how to double team McClauren on 3rd and 8 down by 4 with 30 seconds left.

Let's not diss Ertz, the dude was massively dependable. We need more of that. Not sure Chig would be considered as clutch as him yet, so there is a drop-off there. More deep routes, sure.

I don't want to discount a signing like Hopkins aka Noah Brown. That nobody dude launched our dream 2024 winning streak because of a single game winning catch. Right place, right time, low drop percentage. I argue we need one of those too. Not sure we have dependable hands at wr other than Terry.
Fingers crossed is no way to go about building year 3 with a star QB, but I think that is where we are headed. Because of this WR gap alone, I do not see us with a winning record. I sure hope I am wrong.