Where are the apologies?

[DirtBagZ]

offiss - I hear ya...but enough of the negativity, at least for this week. Let us not bash. Let us hope that the real Brunell was the QB we saw leading the miracle, and making the 25 yard scamper on 3 and a mile, and then unleashing lightening on the Cowbumz.

Brunell is 35 the odds are not very good of him making it through the whole season unscathed. I am sure the six sacks, and horseshit horse collar from Roy Williams did not help either. So much for the Roy Williams rule, but I digress.

Ramsey will probably get back into a game, channel your faith and belief in him into hoping that when he gets his next opportunity he becomes the next Tom Brady. Not saying it is going to happen but have some faith, not just in Ramsey but the Burgundy and Gold.

[beg8878]

Originally Posted by offiss

Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself.

NOOOOOOOOO, no way Ramsey could have done that, I seem to remember a game 3 years ago when he lead us back against Philli when he hit McCants on about a 40 yard strike down the middle for a TD late in the final minute. I also remember him coming in the Giant game last year and moving the ball up and down the field when Brunell did nothing but give up a defensive TD. Then Ramsey recieved a start against those very Giants and kicked their A**'s up and down the field, but it's just fine to kill anyone who believes Ramsey would have put up points and wouldn't have been in a position where he didn't need a miracle 4 minutes.

Bottom line Ramsey will score points, he proved it last year when Brunell failed, and for all those who think that monday night is how football games are won? Think again, lets see how pleased you are with that type of play when we are around game 12 and our defense is burnt out because they spent the first 11 game's on the field the majority of the time.

It's funny we haven't heard anything about Brunell's INT, and his fumble as well, I thought Gibbs main objective was to hang on to the ball, Brunell 10 starts, Brunell 10 turnovers.

Brunell didn't win this game with a methotical drive carving up a defense ala Montana, he threw the ball up in desperation because he couldn't move the ball with anything remotly resembling consistancy. I don't even lay all the blame on Brunell either, I lay it on Gibbs simplistic, conservative, offensive approach, which Ramsey has had not only to fight through, but had to fight a stacked deck as well in Gibbs desire to play Brunell.

Watching Gibbs press confrence I had what wouldn't be a strong feeling but a possible hint that he may be coming to the conclusion that other than the last 4 minutes in which he knows he was very lucky to win, Brunell was horrible, I really didn't hear him praising Brunell as in the past, after all we overcame a mountain in the final 4 minutes to avoid being shutout.

I usually disagree with a lot of your posts offiss, but you make some good poitns in this arguement. I think we can all agree that they both have flaws and its all about Risk vs. reward when dealing with Brunnell and Ramsey...

Hopefully this discussion ends more and more as Mr. Campbell continues to learn to be better than both

[EternalEnigma21]

Well just to be clear, I think Brunell did at least earn a shot with the win. I agree he did look like hell for most of the game with the blindside sacks and fumble and int, but he did make 2 huge plays in a clutch situation, which is something we havent seen around here in a while. Do I still wish Ramsey was the starter... yup, I wish he would've never been benched after the first 20something mins. Who knows, he could've played comeback there too and thrown for some bombs. We'll never know because he never got the shot. I do remember seeing him throw a few bombs in 2003 to Coles, Gardner and McCants, but that was the past and right now Marks in there and we're gonna see where he takes us. I'm just gonna be pissed if he gets another long (losing)leash like last year (although I'm still not gonna demand apologies from the brunell guys)

[MTK]

Ramsey would have run over someone??

C'mon now, this weird fascination with Ramsey has got to stop!

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ramsey would have run over someone??

C'mon now, this weird fascination with Ramsey has got to stop!

Why is it a weird fascination??? I just think he got a raw deal 1 half and out...brunell had all season and he sucked...like monday..there is no weird fascination...and btw he has handled this with class....he hasn't said anything ...but he will get his shot...cause brunells will need a new WALKER soon... LMAO

[MTK]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Why is it a weird fascination??? I just think he got a raw deal 1 half and out...brunell had all season and he sucked...like monday..there is no weird fascination...and btw he has handled this with class....he hasn't said anything ...but he will get his shot...cause brunells will need a new WALKER soon... LMAO

I'm talking about the running someone over part, sorry I just think that's hilarious.

Next thing you know we'll be saying Ramsey landed that plane at LAX last night.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm talking about the running someone over part, sorry I just think that's hilarious.

Next thing you know we'll be saying Ramsey landed that plane at LAX last night.

all that statement meant was that he has had the crucial 30yd scrambles to win games before (i swear you guys forget faster than Eagles fans) only he would have risked his body (as he does too often) instead of sliding 2yds short of the first down.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by illdefined

all that statement meant was that he has had the crucial 30yd scrambles to win games before (i swear you guys forget faster than Eagles fans) only he would have risked his body (as he does too often) instead of sliding 2yds short of the first down.

Yes exactly there was the 1st down within 2 yards and he slides down on his back... hell he ran that far...i'm not saying he's rock cartright...but i guarantee u he would have tried for those 2 extra yards and u are calling him immoble well i've seen him do it... be fair to the man...

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

This debate is getting real old.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

This debate is getting real old.

Especially when these fish stories are developing about Ramsey, all of a sudden he's the next Diesel running people over. Puh-leaze.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Especially when these fish stories are developing about Ramsey, all of a sudden he's the next Diesel running people over. Puh-leaze.

I don't think Brunell or Ramsey are stellar guys. We need to keep our praise/criticism of each quarterback on a rational level. I'm hearing way too much black/white right/wrong talk.....not exactly the most nuanced and sophisticated analysis.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

This debate is getting real old.

It's already went way past the point of getting old! :frusty:

[EternalEnigma21]

I'd much rather have a nudist sapphic analysis.

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I'd much rather have a nudist sapphic analysis.

I think I would develop a weird fascination with that.

[Luxorreb]

Ramsey woulda thrown 3 INTS. Never woulda been close and never woulda hit even 1 of those 3 incredible passes to Moss. Ramsey doesn't have good judgement in a pinch and doesn't have great accuracy like Brunell can. I'm not saying Ramsey will never play again and I'm not saying Brunell is an instant probowler. Gibbs made the right decision and it got us a win. Our second win in 2 games. Sure we count on our defense, but Brunell isn't in there in the last 4 minutes we're just another pushover 'homecoming' team for the induction of the triplets. Brunell is kinda like my 85 Silverado; still got some gas in the tank and can impress better than some fuel injected crap.