(Merged Threads) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams

[diehardskin2982]

I think this whole arrington situation is having a mental effect on the team. It's drawing away from our positives like our record and our offense moving the ball well. It has to be tense in that locker room especially after a loss.

[memphisskin]

It doesn't add up, on the surface it would seem to be such an easy fix. No turnovers, add in your biggest playmaker, problem solved. GW's system seems to be more based on effort, which is why so many street free agents have been able to contribute defensively. So if Lemar Marshall can contribute, and Warrick Holdman can contribute, why can't Lavar contribute? If the bottom line is to win football games, then why not play someone who has proven REPEATEDLY that he can do just that. I'm not buying that he puts the defense in jeopardy with his freelancing, that's just spin to me. This year he's a freelancer and will have to earn time along with the other 2nd and 3rd teamers, but just last year he had tremendous football instincts and was a 3 time Pro Bowler.

Reading between the lines, it doesn't sound too promising. I mean who believed that management would have threatened to blackball Laverneus Coles? I like the direction the Skins are going in, but facts are facts. Greg Williams has already begun making it known that he'd like to be a head coach again. If the defense finishes in the top 5 again we all know he'll be a top candidate for places like Baltimore, Minnesota, Houston and Oakland. Meanwhile we've got one of the best linebackers in football languishing on the bench reportedly because things have turned into a pissing contest? If we cut or trade Lavar then we will have made a HUGE mistake just in order to prove a point. You can't have that big of a percentage of your salary cap riding the pine when he's healthy, so the handwriting is on the wall.

Me, I hope he gets a chance to play because I think we all agree that Lavar didn't suddenly forget how to play football. Maybe it's a Dan Snyder marketing thing, there are so many Arrington jerseys sold that Snyder is quelling that demand and creating a demand for Moss jerseys. Or maybe they're holding Arrington back just like they are holding back this new running game that is going to free Portis up more.

[jacobyfan]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Greg Williams has already begun making it known that he'd like to be a head coach again.

Can you provide a reference for this?

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by jacobyfan

Can you provide a reference for this?

I read earlier in the year that GW was making noise about becoming a head coach, but haven't been able to find the article. Without any reference, it just becomes my personal opinion.

I can see how LaVar's freelancing might hurt the team, and GW is extremely anal about players sticking to their assignments. Hopefully the coaches find some middle ground in the coming weeks, after going 3-1 in our first four game stretch and already 0-1 going into the 2nd quarter of our season we've got to find a way to force some turnovers to give our offense a short field and better opportunities to score points. But it's up to the coaches to decide who plays, so I'll just keep on hoping that LaVar does whatever he has to do to hit the field because I think he can make a difference.

[Hog1]

Greetings Redskin fans! I, like many others have read SO MUCH BS over the Lavar thing, and the Brunell/Ramsey thing, and whatever the latest "thing" is. Basically, continously second guessing the coaching staff. It should be noted the media generally blows this stuff up as they get paid to generate stories. The more controversial, the better, etc. They are not qualified to be a coach. We, as fans can certainly have any opinion we desire (however wrong it may be), but we are not qualified to be coach's. The players make great players, but they are not qualified to be coach's.
The list of people above, and many more would be qualified to coach if they could answer some of the following positively:

1) I have participated in four or more Super bowls (Y) (N)

2) I have won three or more Super Bowls (Y) (N)

3) I have been a head/assistant head with a NFL FB team (Y) (N)

3) I have.............well you get the idea.

Our coach's ONLY do things for the good of the team. There is no other reasonable position with any foundation. They will do basically ANYTHING to win. I, like you, would have it no other way!!! We as fans, media, etc. are not privy to ANYTHING "they" don't want us to know. Our coach's have delivered a COMPETATIVE team, the media now calls "for real". We are in a dogfight for dominance in the NFC East. We have been a joke in the media for much of the time Gibbs and his team have been gone. They are delivering. Sit back and enjoy the ride. The momentum is building. The problems we are having are normal growing pains, nothing more.

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Greetings Redskin fans! I, like many others have read SO MUCH BS over the Lavar thing, and the Brunell/Ramsey thing, and whatever the latest "thing" is. Basically, continously second guessing the coaching staff. It should be noted the media generally blows this stuff up as they get paid to generate stories. The more controversial, the better, etc. They are not qualified to be a coach. We, as fans can certainly have any opinion we desire (however wrong it may be), but we are not qualified to be coach's. The players make great players, but they are not qualified to be coach's.
The list of people above, and many more would be qualified to coach if they could answer some of the following positively:

1) I have participated in four or more Super bowls (Y) (N)

2) I have won three or more Super Bowls (Y) (N)

3) I have been a head/assistant head with a NFL FB team (Y) (N)

3) I have.............well you get the idea.

Our coach's ONLY do things for the good of the team. There is no other reasonable position with any foundation. They will do basically ANYTHING to win. I, like you, would have it no other way!!! We as fans, media, etc. are not privy to ANYTHING "they" don't want us to know. Our coach's have delivered a COMPETATIVE team, the media now calls "for real". We are in a dogfight for dominance in the NFC East. We have been a joke in the media for much of the time Gibbs and his team have been gone. They are delivering. Sit back and enjoy the ride. The momentum is building. The problems we are having are normal growing pains, nothing more.

THANK YOU!

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Greetings Redskin fans! I, like many others have read SO MUCH BS over the Lavar thing, and the Brunell/Ramsey thing, and whatever the latest "thing" is. Basically, continously second guessing the coaching staff. It should be noted the media generally blows this stuff up as they get paid to generate stories. The more controversial, the better, etc. They are not qualified to be a coach. We, as fans can certainly have any opinion we desire (however wrong it may be), but we are not qualified to be coach's. The players make great players, but they are not qualified to be coach's.
The list of people above, and many more would be qualified to coach if they could answer some of the following positively:

1) I have participated in four or more Super bowls (Y) (N)

2) I have won three or more Super Bowls (Y) (N)

3) I have been a head/assistant head with a NFL FB team (Y) (N)

3) I have.............well you get the idea.

Our coach's ONLY do things for the good of the team. There is no other reasonable position with any foundation. They will do basically ANYTHING to win. I, like you, would have it no other way!!! We as fans, media, etc. are not privy to ANYTHING "they" don't want us to know. Our coach's have delivered a COMPETATIVE team, the media now calls "for real". We are in a dogfight for dominance in the NFC East. We have been a joke in the media for much of the time Gibbs and his team have been gone. They are delivering. Sit back and enjoy the ride. The momentum is building. The problems we are having are normal growing pains, nothing more.

I am enjoying the ride, its great that we are winning. But would it really be Redskin football if there wasn't a controversy? It has always been that way from the QBs, to the WR, RB, and now LBs. I wish people would understand(I am not saying anyones opinions are wrong) that the NFL is a business and people who screw around with their bosses get screwed. Just like anywhere else in America. Just because the NFL is a sport doesn't mean this can't happen to you. Coles was going to have the same thing happen to him if we didn't get offered the trade for Moss. dont you remember the blow up from Dan, saying you will not see the field, you will be sitting home watching the game on the Plasma I am sending to you. this game is about business as much as it is about sport. Its awful and I dont agree with it, but thats what we have made it. There is no loyalty from anyone in this game. from the owners to the players, the media and us fans too. We were quick to throw Brunell under the bus last year, and now he is OUR GUY!!. When coaches from around the league, GMS(who put teams together, and select talent) so called experts, media, other players from our team and other teams acknowledge the fact that there is something going on with this whole situation other than football knowledge and skill, you have to start wondering. these guys are far more involved in this game than we can ever imagine, and they hear alot more stuff that we do. I just want people to accept the fact the NFL and Gibbs and Co. and not above making "business decisions" rather than decisions that are for the betterment of our "REDSKINS"

[Hog1]

am enjoying the ride, its great that we are winning. But would it really be Redskin football if there wasn't a controversy? It has always been that way from the QBs, to the WR, RB, and now LBs. I wish people would understand(I am not saying anyones opinions are wrong) that the NFL is a business and people who screw around with their bosses get screwed. Just like anywhere else in America. Just because the NFL is a sport doesn't mean this can't happen to you. Coles was going to have the same thing happen to him if we didn't get offered the trade for Moss. dont you remember the blow up from Dan, saying you will not see the field, you will be sitting home watching the game on the Plasma I am sending to you. this game is about business as much as it is about sport. Its awful and I dont agree with it, but thats what we have made it. There is no loyalty from anyone in this game. from the owners to the players, the media and us fans too. We were quick to throw Brunell under the bus last year, and now he is OUR GUY!!. When coaches from around the league, GMS(who put teams together, and select talent) so called experts, media, other players from our team and other teams acknowledge the fact that there is something going on with this whole situation other than football knowledge and skill, you have to start wondering. these guys are far more involved in this game than we can ever imagine, and they hear alot more stuff that we do. I just want people to accept the fact the NFL and Gibbs and Co. and not above making "business decisions" rather than decisions that are for the betterment of our "REDSKINS"

I don't disagree #56fanatic. I acknowledge, sadly, it is a business and Lavar could end up a casualty. I miss the days of players having a career with one team. I do not believe that is the case. As I understand it, there is basically no way for the skins to deal him and come out on top. His cap hit is in the area of 10m for 2006. If they try to dump him, it gets worse. The only real avenue is to try to renegotiate his contract and play him. My only real point is, Gibbs and company are making it happen. Not since his last tenure have we done what we are doing now. They are delivering. Why all the CONSTANT unrest. They know what they are doing, let them do it. Why do we not enter the cockpit on a commercial airline flight and debate flight tactics with the pilot?

[skinsfan0201]

As much as I love Lavar, there must be something going on there as even Marvin Lewis exclaimed "Do you think it is fun coaching Lavar." I love Lavar, but I think that it has reached the time for the Redskins to bring in an outside mediator to iron out some of these differences. If we make an exception for Lavar then the whole element of "team" is compromised. He can not be an exception to the rules of the team. IMO

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by skinsfan0201

As much as I love Lavar, there must be something going on there as even Marvin Lewis exclaimed "Do you think it is fun coaching Lavar." I love Lavar, but I think that it has reached the time for the Redskins to bring in an outside mediator to iron out some of these differences. If we make an exception for Lavar then the whole element of "team" is compromised. He can not be an exception to the rules of the team. IMO

I agree that no player is bigger than the team, but I just wanna know what he's doing do deserve this assumtion. Williams himself recently said he has a great team-first attitude. I doubt he wouldve said that if it didn't translate over even on the practice field. Do you think if he was "freelancing" and blowind assignments in practice that GW would say he had a team first attitude. I think that would translate into a "me first" kind of attitude.

[jamf]

i've been trying not to add fuel to the fire on this topic. but this is rediculous.

i know its probably absurd to say but the only thing that makes sense is that snyder has benched lavar. kinda like what davis did the marcus allen.

this is a healthy 3 time probowler in the prime of his career and he cant get on the field with 2 marginal linebackers ahead of him(marshall at MLB and Holdman OLB).

there were reports last year that snyder told Coles that he was going to bench him for the rest of his career or something like that.

I like williams, but i cant beleive a proven all pro cant get on the field...

[jamf]

sorry for the double post, but

would the redskins have won a superbowl if they benched riggins?

what about gary clark, alvin walton, dexter manley, wilber marshall....

i know its hard to freelance on offence, clark and riggins were characters that did their own thing at times and came up huge in the clutch.


i understand the whole concept of a "team scheme" but no one will tell me that Phillip daniels and Wynn are better defensive ends on 3rd and 10 than lavar. you cant waste that kind of talent. if he is a free lancer, atleast use him on situations where he has one role(KILL THE GOD DAMN QUARTERBACK).

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by jamf

sorry for the double post, but

would the redskins have won a superbowl if they benched riggins?

what about gary clark, alvin walton, dexter manley, wilber marshall....

i know its hard to freelance on offence, clark and riggins were characters that did their own thing at times and came up huge in the clutch.


i understand the whole concept of a "team scheme" but no one will tell me that Phillip daniels and Wynn are better defensive ends on 3rd and 10 than lavar. you cant waste that kind of talent. if he is a free lancer, atleast use him on situations where he has one role(KILL THE GOD DAMN QUARTERBACK).

I am glad you said this, when Gibbs wanted Riggins everyone was worried about his attitude the its my way or no way. And Gibbs has always had the knack of getting through to players that in others peoples eyes are trouble. Dexter Manley is a prime example. Former player always say what a great motivator Gibbs is, he gets the most and even more for players.
Another good point was the guy that said Holdman is so bad that if he is in position, his ass is getting blown up and taken out of the play. That has been my sticking point with all this crap. Who cares if Holdman is in position, the fact is he has 12 FREAKIN TACKLES in 5 games,(and not only him)but majority of the big plays we are giving up, the screen, some of the long runs in the Seattle game, Denver and KC all have been to the right side of defense. I am not saying LaVar would have stopped them all, but I would bet he would have stopped more big plays than sorry ass Holdman has. Again, 12 tackles in 5 games, thats being in position!! LaVar last year in first two games, 15 tackles, 1 sack, thats being out of position!!.

[12thMan]

This whole "freelance" thing is way out of proportion, IMO. Does he freelance? Sure he does. Really, has LaVar become so inept that he can't get in on one down for two consecutive games?

We've gone through a page thread explaining and giving theories on why a Pro-Bowl linebacker won't play because he can't play within or pick-up the system.

I love Gregg Williams and coach Gibbs....but is LaVar that incapable?

[MTK]

From PFW: http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...m?mode=nfceast

Some very revealing thoughts from a personnel director to PFW on the LaVar Arrington situation: “The key to Gregg Williams’ defense is discipline. The only way that unit can win is if everyone is playing 100 percent disciplined football. They have a few core guys — Sean Taylor, Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, Shawn Springs — but the rest are just role players. LaVar’s problem is that he has never been disciplined. He has never been a worker. He’s a street player who doesn’t study. If you surround him with enough good players, he can fit into your defense. But the Redskins’ defensive coaching staff is a very talented group. Greg Blache is an excellent defensive line coach. (DB coach) DeWayne Walker is an outstanding teacher. They are all very good teachers. They preach fundamentals and have their guys in the right position.” And this: “LaVar has been told countless times what he needs to do. Instead, he is running his mouth in the media. Shut your mouth and open up your playbook. Show some awareness. Know where you fit. Know where to line up. When he recognizes he is just a cog in the wheel, not the wheel he has always saw himself as being and thinks he is — he’ll see the field. Until he proves he won’t make any mental mistakes, all he’ll be is the miserable malcontent he has been all year. And to be frank, if he doesn’t shut his mouth, he may be subjected to the treatment Keyshawn Johnson was a couple of years ago.” Johnson was suspended by the Buccaneers for the final six games of the 2003 season for disciplinary reasons.