Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NCSUredskin

Got into an argument with a fellow Skins buddy of mine, his thought is to have Kirk walk, let McCoy start for 2-3 years, while we groom Sudfeld, I think this is crazy, b/c we still aren't sure what Sudfeld has......just figured I would share, I haven't read thru this entire thread....wasn't sure if this scenario had been mentioned

I hope "groom Sudfeld" hasn't been mentioned.

Tell your friend if we did this dumbshit scenario, then he cant bitch about double digit loss seasons for 2couple years because that is what we'd be staring at.

[NCSUredskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I hope "groom Sudfeld" hasn't been mentioned.

Tell your friend if we did this dumbshit scenario, then he cant bitch about double digit loss seasons for 2couple years because that is what we'd be staring at.

LOL exactly, I am hard on Cousins plenty of times through the season, but I just can't blame him for everything......if we have something better than a damn high school defense we would have won at least 3 of those games we lost......in at least 3 of those games Cousins did his job, it wasn't his fault that our defense couldn't stop a Sr citizen team

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NCSUredskin

LOL exactly, I am hard on Cousins plenty of times through the season, but I just can't blame him for everything......if we have something better than a damn high school defense we would have won at least 3 of those games we lost......in at least 3 of those games Cousins did his job, it wasn't his fault that our defense couldn't stop a Sr citizen team

I feel your pain, but believe it or not, I think our defense is a much easier fix than finding another QB.

[NCSUredskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I feel your pain, but believe it or not, I think our defense is a much easier fix than finding another QB.

oh yeah, that's what I'm saying.....we overhaul the defense and sign Cousins

[metalskins]

So, with no news on the contract front, I'm assuming the front office is OK with allowing the post season to wrap up before they even consider opening negotiations with Kirk Cousins? My assumption was that they were free to start negotiating with him at any time, or maybe I'm wrong on that?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I thought it was only at the beginning of free agency due to the nature of the franchise tag. Am I wrong on that?

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I thought it was only at the beginning of free agency due to the nature of the franchise tag. Am I wrong on that?

I don't know TMC, but if so, that makes sense. I guess I figured that he's still "employed" as a Redskins player until free agency starts, and that the team could re-sign their own at any point.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by metalskins

I don't know TMC, but if so, that makes sense. I guess I figured that he's still "employed" as a Redskins player until free agency starts, and that the team could re-sign their own at any point.

I looked back at articles around Flacco's FT -> contract period, and it looks like they didn't start negotiating till after that year's SB, maybe that was because they won it... But since the FT is in play again this year, I imagine we would have a signed deal in place till right around when the Skins have to make a final decision in March about using the FT a second time.



Is there anyone else who would be worth tagging that might force the Skins hand a little, ie DJax Garcon or Baker?

[Bishop Hammer]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...hms-tmobile-us

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I looked back at articles around Flacco's FT -> contract period, and it looks like they didn't start negotiating till after that year's SB, maybe that was because they won it... But since the FT is in play again this year, I imagine we would have a signed deal in place till right around when the Skins have to make a final decision in March about using the FT a second time.



Is there anyone else who would be worth tagging that might force the Skins hand a little, ie DJax Garcon or Baker?

Well, after reading the article that Bishop Hammer posted (thanks BH) I guess there won't be anything new to talk about in regards to Kirk Cousins until the Redskins tag him. It sounds like there would be no reason (other than loyalty - yea right) for Cousins to want to rush through negotiations with the Redskins until he's heard from other teams. So, the question comes down to, which tag will the Redskins use?

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of the non-exclusive tag. It can give the Redskins an idea of how other teams value Kirk Cousins while still giving the Redskins an opportunity to match the offer. And if they don't, they get two first round picks.

I know Scot McCloughan would love the thought of having an extra number one pick this year and next year (or if the team happened to have two number one picks this year they would give up). He could use one to draft BPA and the other to trade for additional picks or also BPA. Or they could negotiate some other type of trade deal. This could be a very tempting route SM would take, but I just don't know, you're talking about a good quarterback, and good quarterbacks are hard to find. Looking at other free agent QBs, the next one on the list after Kirk Cousins is Mike Glennon. I think I would take my chance with Colt McCoy over Glennon.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I thought it was only at the beginning of free agency due to the nature of the franchise tag. Am I wrong on that?

Pretty sure they can negotiate now - after the last regular season game.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Pretty sure they can negotiate now - after the last regular season game.

I thought it was after the Super Bowl.

[skinsfan69]

I don't understand the talk about getting rid of KC and overhauling the defense. So what that means is we go pay a bunch of free agents with the money he's going to make? Then start McCoy? That might be the stupidest thing the Redskins can do, even stupider than the RG3 trade and Haynesworth. That's going back to the old way of doing business, over paying guys from other teams and not rewarding your own. I can see that type of nonsense with Dan and Bruce. Not SM.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't understand the talk about getting rid of KC and overhauling the defense. So what that means is we go pay a bunch of free agents with the money he's going to make? Then start McCoy? That might be the stupidest thing the Redskins can do, even stupider than the RG3 trade and Haynesworth. That's going back to the old way of doing business, over paying guys from other teams and not rewarding your own. I can see that type of nonsense with Dan and Bruce. Not SM.

Well, like I said, if it was the non-exclusive tag, at least the Redskins would be getting something in return for not matching if they chose to let Cousins walk. One of those first rounders could be used on a quarterback with (hopefully) a higher ceiling. I haven't paid much attention to college quarterbacks this year, so I don't know how deep the draft is with QBs.

It's all a gamble. I mean, I remember the Herschel Walker trade that made the Dallas Cowboys dynasty during the 90's. Certainly a different situation with Kirk Cousins and the Redskins, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. I would most certainly be open to the idea of getting as much as I possibly could if Cousins wants to leave.

Realistically, he'll probably be tagged by the exclusive tag, but I would not doubt the Redskins brass is not coming up with some hypotheticals with the nonexclusive.

[SolidSnake84]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c5f64dafa5a0

Interesting tidbit from this writer is that he feels one of the scenarios is that the Redskins decline to match another team's offer on Cousins, but are compensated with two first round draft picks. I did not think the Redskins valued Cousins high enough to warrant two first round picks.

This article seems to believe that we franchise him again at 24 million, which means he walks in 2018 because i believe you can not use the tag three consecutive times in a row.