WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'm secretly hoping Dallas lets Dak walk... Just don't think Jerruh is that dumb tho

I'm starting to think Dak is done in Dallas; maybe not this year, but definitely after the 2021 season. I don't see them taking a risk and giving him a huge long term deal after that injury. No one knows if he's going to be the same guy. If they keep him (and they probably have no choice) it will likely be with the franchise tag, and then my bet is Dak says 'peace out' next year.

Dallas needs their draft picks to rebuild that defense. I could be wrong, but I don't see them giving up a bunch of picks to move up, or to get Watson.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm starting to think Dak is done in Dallas; maybe not this year, but definitely after the 2021 season. I don't see them taking a risk and giving him a huge long term deal after that injury. No one knows if he's going to be the same guy. If they keep him (and they probably have no choice) it will likely be with the franchise tag, and then my bet is Dak says 'peace out' next year.

Dallas needs their draft picks to rebuild that defense. I could be wrong, but I don't see them giving up a bunch of picks to move up, or to get Watson.

I don't think the injury is a long term concern. All reports I've seen say his rehab is going very well. If Alex made it back no reason why Dak can't with a much less complicated injury. We'll see of course but I don't think it will be an issue.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don't think the injury is a long term concern. All reports I've seen say his rehab is going very well. If Alex made it back no reason why Dak can't with a much less complicated injury. We'll see of course but I don't think it will be an issue.

Yeah, I'm sure he'll be back. I just don't know if Dallas will be willing to go all in on him before they see if he's the same guy on the field. They might, but it's a risk.

[skinsfaninok]

Interesting stat

Over the last 20 years the Colts have had a 1st round pick (2 of those being the #1 overall pick) start at QB for 17 of those 20 years.

They have 1 Super bowl to show for it.

Wentz will be the 4th 1st round pick the Colts will start at QB since 2000.

That's nuts

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Interesting stat

Over the last 20 years the Colts have had a 1st round pick (2 of those being the #1 overall pick) start at QB for 17 of those 20 years.

They have 1 Super bowl to show for it.

Wentz will be the 4th 1st round pick the Colts will start at QB since 2000.

That's nuts

In that same 20 years we have started at some point during those seasons a 1st round pick 17 out of those 20 years. the only 3 years we did not were Kirk's years.

Of those first round picks two were number one overall (George and Smith) and two others were second overall (McNabb and RGIII).

Zero Super Bowls and zero playoff wins.

"Now that's nuts"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...g_quarterbacks

[simbosargos75]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Interesting stat

Over the last 20 years the Colts have had a 1st round pick (2 of those being the #1 overall pick) start at QB for 17 of those 20 years.

They have 1 Super bowl to show for it.

Wentz will be the 4th 1st round pick the Colts will start at QB since 2000.

That's nuts

And they were 1st overall, 1st overall, 4th overall and now 1st overall. It's not as if they were just first round picks. They were extreeeeemely high first round picks.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by simbosargos75

And they were 1st overall, 1st overall, 4th overall and now 1st overall. It's not as if they were just first round picks. They were extreeeeemely high first round picks.

Yep which tells us that QB is very important but you still need a team around them of course

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yep which tells us that QB is very important but you still need a team around them of course

It does? That stat is odd to me or non sense

It doesn’t tell me anything.

If anything it tells me QB is a position teams over reach for in the draft.

Off the top of my head I guess the team with the most SB wins over the last 20 years had a 5th rounder starting at QB for them the majority of the time.

I think getting a true franchise QB is literally like winning the NFL lottery. There is a lot luck involved in landing that guy.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by simbosargos75

And they were 1st overall, 1st overall, 4th overall and now 1st overall. It's not as if they were just first round picks. They were extreeeeemely high first round picks.

Their GM was too dumb to protect Luck. He didn't just take a huge volume of hits, but lots of just complete blown protection blindside crash test dummy hits. They hurt to even watch. Perhaps a cautionary tale of taking the franchise LT if available for us, and of course, thanks again Bruce Allen for alienating our one certain first-ballot HOF player.

I always felt the emphasis on O should be QB,LT,C,RT. Especially LT and C. Elite Cs are incredibly rare, always liked nabbing one if available. The need elite LT self explanatory. But if you have elite LT and C, can plug a grocery store clerk in at LG. If you get a good but perhaps not elite RT, then you protect both edges, and have the middle solidified, and again can put JAGs at G. Instead we let our HOF LT go and have one elite lineman, at the lowest leverage position on OL. Ugh.

[skinsfaninok]

Coming from an overpaid S

[Ruhskins]

^^^ He's right though.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

^^^ He's right though.

No he’s not. Watson isn’t THAT good. How good he really is and what he’s worth have gotten more than silly. People starting to sound like Snyder at the negotiating table. He’s not worth 4 first round picks and Chase Young. He just isn’t.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

No he’s not. Watson isn’t THAT good. How good he really is and what he’s worth have gotten more than silly. People starting to sound like Snyder at the negotiating table. He’s not worth 4 first round picks and Chase Young. He just isn’t.

The max you could trade is 3. There are rules that prohibit draft picks beyond three years. So there is a ceiling here. If Houston dialed up and said next three first rounders I would do it.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

The max you could trade is 3. There are rules that prohibit draft picks beyond three years. So there is a ceiling here. If Houston dialed up and said next three first rounders I would do it.

Ok. I wouldn’t.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by MissouriSkin

No he’s not. Watson isn’t THAT good. How good he really is and what he’s worth have gotten more than silly. People starting to sound like Snyder at the negotiating table. He’s not worth 4 first round picks and Chase Young. He just isn’t.

Or even 3 1st rounders and nothing else. Would you trade Allen, Payne, Sweat for Watson? So he can whine for a trade 9 months later? No way. The big problem with Watson is no character no loyalty. You sign a $150M deal, you owe the team some loyalty, as they have made long-term investment. It is obscene to sign a deal so large and then demand trade less than a year into it. You have doubts about organization, better consider that BEFORE signing new deal period. Favre was right.

But basically, most posters advocate absurd bounties for good but not great players, and think we can attain solid players for almost nothing. And it doesn't matter, Watson isn't being traded. Houston ownership will let him sit and fine him into bankruptcy, just on principle.

Not THE DAN, Cerrato. LOL. Cerrato after being hit in the head with a baseball bat 15 times.

Chase Young is a generational talent at the 2nd most important position in football. Burrow is a solid but not great QB. Bengals should have drafted Young. You don't trade Young under any circumstances. EVER. Anyone suggesting so is a Cerrato, plain and simple. Young is a potential HOF player barring major injuries, the best player on team hands down, in 1st season, has everything you want, heart, talent, passion, character, on and off field. He is the type of guy you build a SB contender around.

What those 4 1st round picks should get you, in successive years, is a franchise LT, franchise shutdown CB, franchise LB, and franchise FS or WR or QB. Imagine looking up in 4 years and having Young, a Pro Bowl LB and CB, and a true franchise LT.

Can the Homers please stop it with Watson? He isn't getting traded, other teams with higher picks and multiple higher picks can offer more, and what it would take is much more than we should pay. Also, Watson controls where he would go if traded, and would certainly go to a team on the verge of contending, rather than one of laughing stock franchises in NFL, us. We have NO elite players on O except a freaking RG who can't stay healthy. There are teams loaded with talent who can offer Watson far better situation, and no player or agent honestly believes THE DAN can go 4-5 years without reverting to his historical baseline behavior of meddling, backstabbing, etc.

We have to draft our own franchise QB. Period. That is the only way you get one, with exceedingly rare exceptions, none of which are relevant in this year's QB market.

What is so hard to understand about all this?