All things off season 2015.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

No way Seattle wins a Super Bowl without him though...if you base everything on stats then you dont get it.

What do you think the market will be for Wilson if Seattle would let him walk?

All that money Broncos paid Peyton...no return, but his stats are amazing. Wilson has something Peyton doesnt, and thats why he can command the salary that is coming to him.

Peyton in his prime was paid a ton of money and had insane stats. Indy felt flat on its face when Peyton was injured. I doubt Seattle would fall flat on its face if Wilson were to go down with a season ending injury.

Yes, Wilson has something that Peyton doesn't: an elite defense and running game. But a lot of QBs would not take advantage of those opportunities the way Wilson has.

I think Wilson should be paid, as long as his guaranteed money doesn't surpasses Luck's. He should definitely get more money than Cam Newton.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Peyton in his prime was paid a ton of money and had insane stats. Indy felt flat on its face when Peyton was injured. I doubt Seattle would fall flat on its face if Wilson were to go down with a season ending injury.

Yes, Wilson has something that Peyton doesn't: an elite defense and running game. But a lot of QBs would not take advantage of those opportunities the way Wilson has.

I think Wilson should be paid, as long as his guaranteed money doesn't surpasses Luck's. He should definitely get more money than Cam Newton.

Yeah Wilson never gonna put up Peyton numbers because his game is not an air raid type qb. But he lifted the Seattle organization to the level they are now. I understand the arguments against...but he has the intangibles others do not. And that part of his game which is tough to measure always leads to discussions as these. One thing is he had bottom level talent at receiver since he has been there

I think if you would privately ask every GM and FO would you trade your qb straight up for Wilson...only Green Bay, New England and possibly Carolina would say no.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah Wilson never gonna put up Peyton numbers because his game is not an air raid type qb. But he lifted the Seattle organization to the level they are now. I understand the arguments against...but he has the intangibles others do not. And that part of his game which is tough to measure always leads to discussions as these. One thing is he had bottom level talent at receiver since he has been there

I think if you would privately ask every GM and FO would you trade your qb straight up for Wilson...only Green Bay, New England and possibly Carolina would say no.

Yea. Slipperyness isn't a stat but if it was Wilson would own it. He has the ability to feel pressure and make a busted play a big gain.

He doesn't have to set passing records to have success with that team. He keeps the chains moving which is what he needs to do with Lynch and that defense.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

No way Seattle wins a Super Bowl without him though...if you base everything on stats then you dont get it.

What do you think the market will be for Wilson if Seattle would let him walk?

All that money Broncos paid Peyton...no return, but his stats are amazing. Wilson has something Peyton doesnt, and thats why he can command the salary that is coming to him.

Given that Seattles defense and special teams outscored the entirety of Denver, how can you say they dont win without Wilson? They dont win without that defense. They win that game as long as the offense doesnt give up points to Denver.

[30gut]

Seattle had Lynch and that defense before Wilson got there. They aren't crazy enough to go back to the mediocre QB wasteland. Seattle offense jumped from middling to top 5 when Russ got there. Now we know its a 'passing league' and Wilson doesn't post flashy passing numbers but he has a huge impact on the running game and to borrow a cliche: Russ makes big time plays in big time situations. Nevermind that Seattle's OL and receiving corps are average at best.

[30gut]

Let Seattle get stupid and let Wilson hit the open market. He's from Richmond right?
If our QBs don't work out I would welcome Russ coming home.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Let Seattle get stupid and let Wilson hit the open market. He's from Richmond right?
If our QBs don't work out I would welcome Russ coming home.

With McC it could be a package deal with Seattle o-coordinator as the head coach.

[That Guy]

I wouldn't say he's elite either, but he's better than what we have right now, so i'm not going to knock him too much.

[JoeRedskin]

While I do not dispute, and in fact agree, with your assertions that Wilson had an effect on the various areas you cite, those factors only have value if they are transferable to a new team. For example -- while he likely would cause some improvement in time of possession, defense, and running game here, I don't see him having the impact suggested by the numbers you cite. Mainly because each of those stats is much more dependent on the other personnel involved rather than straight up passing numbers (not suggesting passing numbers are not dependent on others, just suggesting defensive rankings, time of possession, and improved running game or much more so).

Since his effect much more dependent upon personnel around him, his value is a much more difficult thing to quantify. His straight passing numbers are just not that impressive. That may be why there is such wide disagreement as to his value. I imagine that one or two teams would value him very highly while others not so much.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

While I do not dispute, and in fact agree, with your assertions that Wilson had an effect on the various areas you cite, those factors only have value if they are transferable to a new team.

Interesting notion.

And I agree to an extent. But, Russell's main impact is through his playmaking and rushing those skills are transferable. In Seattle's case Russell's skills manifested themselves in the areas I mentioned. However how Russell's playmaking and rushing impacts a team is variable based on philosophy, personnel, coaching staff etc. But for certain any team with Russell is gonna improve their rushing offense because he by himself averages 600 yards rushing. And they're gonna get QB that can make something happen when the play breaks down.

...each of those stats is much more dependent on the other personnel involved rather than straight up passing numbers (not suggesting passing numbers are not dependent on others, just suggesting defensive rankings, time of possession, and improved running game or much more so).

Lets not confuse Russell's transferable skills: rushing and playmaking with his statistical impact on Seattle.

Now we can quibble over how much impact his skills would have to another teams TOP, defensive rankings etc. But, his impact on Seattle is already known. And even aside from those defensive rankings Russell averages 600 yards rushing. That rushing volume belongs to Russell alone and is more of a direct impact then a passing game which is component system between OL, WR and scheme. If you look at Seattle's passing game for example they have mediocre at best OL and receivers which is a limiting factor on Russell's passing numbers. Also Seattle's has a winning formula that produces a highly efficient and productive offense with Russell's rushing as a main element so there isn't a need to be volume passing team.

I imagine that one or two teams would value him very highly while others not so much.

If you go back to the draft Russell's main knock was his height otherwise he would have been viewed as one of the top QB prospects. I would imagine that Russell productivity has crushed the concerns over his height. I think Russell's value is no different then any other QB with similar production.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

While I do not dispute, and in fact agree, with your assertions that Wilson had an effect on the various areas you cite, those factors only have value if they are transferable to a new team. For example -- while he likely would cause some improvement in time of possession, defense, and running game here, I don't see him having the impact suggested by the numbers you cite. Mainly because each of those stats is much more dependent on the other personnel involved rather than straight up passing numbers (not suggesting passing numbers are not dependent on others, just suggesting defensive rankings, time of possession, and improved running game or much more so).

Since his effect much more dependent upon personnel around him, his value is a much more difficult thing to quantify. His straight passing numbers are just not that impressive. That may be why there is such wide disagreement as to his value. I imagine that one or two teams would value him very highly while others not so much.

Thank you for posting this. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[ethat001]

PFF reviews this, and judges whether the comeback was from the offense, whether it was truly an offensive comeback (vs. defensive score), etc. It's not perfect, because I don't think they factor in whether it was just the RB who carried the team..

Russell Wilson's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives
- note only 5 of 15 did RW have >250 yards
- note only 5 of 15 did RW have >100 passer rating

NFL Year-by-Year Fourth Quarter Comebacks Leaders


NFL Active Fourth Quarter Comebacks Leaders

[Chico23231]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.2265783

this video is quite disturbing. I go to the beach quite often, I've never seen anything like this.

I don't think junior galette should ever play football again.

And for the defense it's not him, well it's def him:
https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/cho...eachBoys.0.jpg

Social media, some folks will never learn

[NC_Skins]

It Appears Clinton Portis Owes A Lot Of People A Lot Of Money

Clinton Portis never was a smart man.



Rob Gronkowski of New England Patriots says he's living off endorsement money


On the other hand, here you have Gronk who's smart with his money. You'd think he'd be a dumb jock, but he's smart enough to not blow his money like an idiot.

“To this day, I still haven’t touched one dime of my signing bonus or NFL contract money. I live off my marketing money and haven’t blown it on any big-money expensive cars, expensive jewelry or tattoos and still wear my favorite pair of jeans from high school… I don’t hurt anyone (except Gord with the occasional kick to the groin), I don’t do drugs, I don’t drive drunk, I don’t break the law… I’m a 23-year-old guy just looking to have a fun time.”

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It Appears Clinton Portis Owes A Lot Of People A Lot Of Money

Clinton Portis never was a smart man.



Charleston native Byron Maxwell on city's tragedy; Rob Gronkowski book | The MMQB with Peter King


On the other hand, here you have Gronk who's smart with his money. You'd think he'd be a dumb jock, but he's smart enough to not blow his money like an idiot.

Not surprised to hear about Portis. Several years ago when he was still playing, he use to gamble with a client of mine. They'd go to Atlantic City and so forth. Anyhow, one time Portis pissed through a bunch of money at the tables. My client gave him 30k and Portis in turn wrote him a 30k check, which he showed me when we had to meet. But he use to tell me CP loved gambling.