Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[irish]

The dancing stuff is meaningless and if anything helped improve his conditioning.

I wish the Skins had a player they drafted ready to step up but thats just not how the Skins do business. I think if JTs head and heart are still into football this could work out great for the Skins. If not this will be another high profile flop. I think his head and heart are still into it and expect this move to pay off.

[jbcjr14]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Wanted to weigh in with my thoughts:

1) I'm surprised to hear the Skins had the cap room to accomodate this. They must have made some other cap moves that me and CC (and another source, PCINOZ) were not aware of.

2) Given that Cerrato seems to be privy to information indicating Taylor will play beyond this season, I'll gladly give up a 2 and a 6 for two seasons of Jason Taylor.

3) I am slightly concerned with Taylor being asked to switch from RDE which he played in Miami, to LDE here. It's a slight concern, but I can't imagine he's going to go off for 15 sacks when making that switch.

4) But still, if we can get 8 sacks from him on that side, it will make a huge difference. The impact should not be underestimated. Because of his presence, our DTs will see more one-on-ones. They should be freed to be more active and make more stops. Our corners won't be asked to cover for quite as long. But the biggest impact of all: turnovers. What wins in the NFL? Turnover margin. It's the single biggest factor in winning. Pressure from Taylor and Carter, combined with Landry's range in the secondary, should produce more INTs. The chance of QB fumbles goes up, too.

I think we just went from a 7-9 team to a 9-7 team. This swung me around, consider me an optimist. Good move.

I am not sure why some are worried about this? If you remember when the Phins played the Skins last season, Taylor lined up all over the line! If you watched some other Phins games (I know, hard to do) he lines up all over the line to get the best matchup. I do think he will be fine at either end and wouldn't be surprised if he moved around, got up in a 2pt, whatever it takes to create the matchup.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jbcjr14

I am not sure why some are worried about this? If you remember when the Phins played the Skins last season, Taylor lined up all over the line! If you watched some other Phins games (I know, hard to do) he lines up all over the line to get the best matchup. I do think he will be fine at either end and wouldn't be surprised if he moved around, got up in a 2pt, whatever it takes to create the matchup.

That's a good point that I think alot of people are missing. In Miami Taylor lined up all over, and on 3rd downs he can line up at LB as well. He's very versatile.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by davy

I'm not happy about the deal.

The way I look at it is, would I give up Devin Thomas and Durant Brooks for a guy who is likely to play 2 years max?

I would have to say no.

Do we really know what Thomas and Brooks are going to do in the NFL? They are unknown commodities at this point.

Would it be worth it to get a top 5 DE in the league for 2 full seasons? Maybe a HOF? If you can get 2 good years out of Taylor. I'd say that's pretty successful. Taylor is used to getting 10+ sacks a year. That makes our whole D better...the LB's and CB's especially. I'd say they are pretty happy about getting Taylor.

On a % basis, 6th rounders rarely start and don't last long in the NFL.

I think the skins made a good move here.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

People are saying ridiculous things like "what kind of leader goes off dancing....he should be helping his 1-15 team to get better." When dancing with the stars was being filmed there wasn't any team organized training or team organized events that Taylor was somehow skipping out on. If he had been working out at the Dolphins facility at the time, there probably wouldn't have even been anyone else there.

To the contrary, there were several OTA's taking place that he missed. Albiet all were voluntary.

When your highest tenured team leader put's positioning his post-football career over his teams improvement, it just sends the wrong message. When your team is 1-15, those "voluntary" OTA's take on more meaning than if the team was 11-5.

Again, I believe to a certain degree that both parties share blame in the fall-out in Miami.

1.) Parcells needs to relax his sphincter a bit
2.) For Taylor, there are better times to pursue off-seeason commitments outside of football then when your team is 1-15.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

And another thing.......who the F-- is Bill Parcells to criticize anyone? That's guy's been with more teams than I can even keep track of anymore. He's the biggest whore in the NFL. He's the NFL's Larry Brown. He's going to criticize a guy he barely knows who has been the leader of the Dolphins D for over a decade?.....when Parcells has been a member of the Dolphins organization for what?....a couple of days now? Give me a break.

Trivia: What kind of a hack announces that he's leaving his current team the week before they play in the Super Bowl to coach for another team regardless of what his team does in the Super Bowl to steal the whole Super Bowl spotlight? Answer: Bill Parcells. F-- Parcells any every one of his uninformed, unwarranted, and self-righteous opinions.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

While I'd agree that one of our first three picks would have been well spent on a DT or DE, we did address needs in the draft. I think given today's situation (independent of draft day), we made a good move. A 2nd and 6th for a top 5 defensive player in the league is well worth it, and Vinny said he's "100% certain Taylor will play more than one year." Taylor has repeatedly said he wants to win more than anything, and now he has a chance to play for a playoff-caliber team in the league's best division. I'd want to retire ASAP too if I had just suffered through that 1-15 debacle. The stage here is different. He's playing closer to his home (Pitt) for a team with a great locker room, an owner with Hollywood pull, and an on the field product capable of a playoff run. I think he'll be happy to play out the last two years of his contract here.

I also think it's very important to point out (while knocking on wood) that Jason Taylor hasn't missed a game since 1999 (he missed 1 that year), and has only missed 4 his entire career. Not to mention he said Dancing With Stars has his flexibility better than it's ever been. Some nice positives there.

I don't think he is a top 5 defensive player right now. In 06 yes, but not now.He's going to be 34 soon. I hope I'm wrong.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

To the contrary, there were several OTA's taking place that he missed. Albiet all were voluntary.

When your highest tenured team leader put's positioning his post-football career over his teams improvement, it just sends the wrong message. When your team is 1-15, those "voluntary" OTA's take on more meaning than if the team was 11-5.

Again, I believe to a certain degree that both parties share blame in the fall-out in Miami.

1.) Parcells needs to relax his sphincter a bit
2.) For Taylor, there are better times to pursue off-seeason commitments outside of football then when your team is 1-15.

Unless voluntary suddenly means mandatory then I don't know what the big deal is.

I have a feeling that regardless of what JT did, Parcells was going to look to push him out. Dancing with the stars was a very convenient excuse.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jbcjr14

I am not sure why some are worried about this? If you remember when the Phins played the Skins last season, Taylor lined up all over the line! If you watched some other Phins games (I know, hard to do) he lines up all over the line to get the best matchup. I do think he will be fine at either end and wouldn't be surprised if he moved around, got up in a 2pt, whatever it takes to create the matchup.

Oh yeah, yous is right. I forgot all about that, he was a menace against us in that game too. Good stuff, that makes me feel even better about the deal.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

3) I am slightly concerned with Taylor being asked to switch from RDE which he played in Miami, to LDE here. It's a slight concern, but I can't imagine he's going to go off for 15 sacks when making that switch.

I think for the preseason and the first few games, it's going to feel unnatural to him. But hey, Daniels and Renaldo Wynn both made the same switch and did just fine.

Ultimately, I think the switch will help because he's facing lesser competition against RTs than LTs. The exception is when we play Arizona -- but Carter is going to be on the 'blind' side anyway, so then everything will be flipped.

[jdlea]

I feel that this is a very good move for the short term. While I wish they had given up a 3 and a 6 I can see why they gave up the 2. It was a move that pretty much had to be made and the Fins knew it just as much as the Skins did. That allowed them to drive up the price.

As for his dancing, that greatly improves one's balance and he has said that it got him into better shape. Also, I'm pretty sure he knows how to get into a 3 point stance, so it's not that big of a deal that he missed OTA's.

I feel like, if he can come in and put up 11 sacks (as he has the last 3 seasons) it will take a lot of the pressure off of a depleted group of corners. This move works on a lot of levels for this team, not the least of which being leadership. Jason Taylor will help lead this team.

Finally, I was a little critical of the team for taking Fred Davis over Quentin Groves in the 2nd round of the draft. If you asked me if I'd rather have Groves or Davis and Taylor, that choice is obvious. This move gets my approval all day.

[BleedBurgundy]

anybody know of any good Dolphins boards? I'm curious what their fans' perspective is on this trade. Do they think "thank God, somebody actually gave us a 2nd for this guy" or is it more of a "I can't believe they got rid of Taylor?"

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

2.) For Taylor, there are better times to pursue off-seeason commitments outside of football then when your team is 1-15.

Jason Taylor was not the problem with Miami, he was not responsible for turning their ship around. Hell, he was one of the only players who played well last season.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

The dancing stuff is meaningless and if anything helped improve his conditioning.

I wish the Skins had a player they drafted ready to step up but thats just not how the Skins do business. I think if JTs head and heart are still into football this could work out great for the Skins. If not this will be another high profile flop. I think his head and heart are still into it and expect this move to pay off.

Stop the presses, if irish is on board then I really feel good about this move!

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Unless voluntary suddenly means mandatory then I don't know what the big deal is.

I have a feeling that regardless of what JT did, Parcells was going to look to push him out. Dancing with the stars was a very convenient excuse.

Everyone knows they are called voluntary but in reality you gotta be there. I do agree that Parcells had it in for JT and the dancing stuff made a good excuse.