Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[PIG#1]

My Hat Is Off To Dan And Vin.it Just Goes To Show This Franchise Really Wants To Win And Win Badly.hail To The Redskins And Welcome Mr. Taylor To A Great Place To Play Football.in This Great Country Of Ours.

[XXVI]

Originally Posted by PIG#1

My Hat Is Off To Dan And Vin.it Just Goes To Show This Franchise Really Wants To Win And Win Badly.hail To The Redskins And Welcome Mr. Taylor To A Great Place To Play Football.in This Great Country Of Ours.

Dude, learn some grammar, and punctuation. Your posts are an english major's nightmare. It makes me laugh everytime. Why do you capitalize every word?

[Defensewins]

I would have preferred to draft a young DE but there were none worthy when it was our turn to pick. I have two concerns with this pick up:
1) While this move greatly improves our pass rush, we now do not have a stout run stopping DE. Carter and Taylor are not very strong against power running teams, they are barely over 250 and will get pushed around from time to time. We have basically two very similar DE's and the other teams will run right at them.
2) Another old guy. Taylor has been dancing on TV for the last several months and might not be in the best shape of his life. Injury is a concern.

While I share in the excitement of a potentially strong pass rush. But if you can not stop the run you are in for a long season. You have to be able to run the ball and stop the run, if you can not do that you are playing for next year.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I would have preferred to draft a young DE but there were none worthy when it was our turn to pick. I have two concerns with this pick up:
1) While this move greatly improves our pass rush, we now do not have a stout run stopping DE. Carter and Taylor are not very strong against power running teams, they are barely over 250 and will get pushed around from time to time. We have basically two very similar DE's and the other teams will run right at them.
2) Another old guy. Taylor has been dancing on TV for the last several months and might not be in the best shape of his life. Injury is a concern.

While I share in the excitement of a potentially strong pass rush. But if you can not stop the run you are in for a long season. You have to be able to run the ball and stop the run, if you can not do that you are playing for next year.

I was actually not that far off.

[12thMan]

Yeah, Taylor is a stand up guy. I remember a couple of seasons ago when he spoke out about Merriman using..or testing positive (wink*wink) for steroids.

I think he's going to come here and play his guts out for this team. Nice to have another Taylor on the team, by the way.

[mredskins]

Parcell's must be one of the top worst people to work in the country. His type of management style is a thing of old.

That type of mgmt style has always made me work hard but I never went the extra mile for that type of boss but if I had a boss that was really cool and treated me with respect I wil l go to the end of the earth to get the job done for them.

I loved to see Parcell at boot camp as a solider.

[Schneed10]

Wanted to weigh in with my thoughts:

1) I'm surprised to hear the Skins had the cap room to accomodate this. They must have made some other cap moves that me and CC (and another source, PCINOZ) were not aware of.

2) Given that Cerrato seems to be privy to information indicating Taylor will play beyond this season, I'll gladly give up a 2 and a 6 for two seasons of Jason Taylor.

3) I am slightly concerned with Taylor being asked to switch from RDE which he played in Miami, to LDE here. It's a slight concern, but I can't imagine he's going to go off for 15 sacks when making that switch.

4) But still, if we can get 8 sacks from him on that side, it will make a huge difference. The impact should not be underestimated. Because of his presence, our DTs will see more one-on-ones. They should be freed to be more active and make more stops. Our corners won't be asked to cover for quite as long. But the biggest impact of all: turnovers. What wins in the NFL? Turnover margin. It's the single biggest factor in winning. Pressure from Taylor and Carter, combined with Landry's range in the secondary, should produce more INTs. The chance of QB fumbles goes up, too.

I think we just went from a 7-9 team to a 9-7 team. This swung me around, consider me an optimist. Good move.

[jbcjr14]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Wanted to weigh in with my thoughts:

1) I'm surprised to hear the Skins had the cap room to accomodate this. They must have made some other cap moves that me and CC (and another source, PCINOZ) were not aware of.

2) Given that Cerrato seems to be privy to information indicating Taylor will play beyond this season, I'll gladly give up a 2 and a 6 for two seasons of Jason Taylor.

3) I am slightly concerned with Taylor being asked to switch from RDE which he played in Miami, to LDE here. It's a slight concern, but I can't imagine he's going to go off for 15 sacks when making that switch.

4) But still, if we can get 8 sacks from him on that side, it will make a huge difference. The impact should not be underestimated. Because of his presence, our DTs will see more one-on-ones. They should be freed to be more active and make more stops. Our corners won't be asked to cover for quite as long. But the biggest impact of all: turnovers. What wins in the NFL? Turnover margin. It's the single biggest factor in winning. Pressure from Taylor and Carter, combined with Landry's range in the secondary, should produce more INTs. The chance of QB fumbles goes up, too.

I think we just went from a 7-9 team to a 9-7 team. This swung me around, consider me an optimist. Good move.

I am not sure why some are worried about this? If you remember when the Phins played the Skins last season, Taylor lined up all over the line! If you watched some other Phins games (I know, hard to do) he lines up all over the line to get the best matchup. I do think he will be fine at either end and wouldn't be surprised if he moved around, got up in a 2pt, whatever it takes to create the matchup.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jbcjr14

I am not sure why some are worried about this? If you remember when the Phins played the Skins last season, Taylor lined up all over the line! If you watched some other Phins games (I know, hard to do) he lines up all over the line to get the best matchup. I do think he will be fine at either end and wouldn't be surprised if he moved around, got up in a 2pt, whatever it takes to create the matchup.

That's a good point that I think alot of people are missing. In Miami Taylor lined up all over, and on 3rd downs he can line up at LB as well. He's very versatile.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jbcjr14

I am not sure why some are worried about this? If you remember when the Phins played the Skins last season, Taylor lined up all over the line! If you watched some other Phins games (I know, hard to do) he lines up all over the line to get the best matchup. I do think he will be fine at either end and wouldn't be surprised if he moved around, got up in a 2pt, whatever it takes to create the matchup.

Oh yeah, yous is right. I forgot all about that, he was a menace against us in that game too. Good stuff, that makes me feel even better about the deal.

[J. Spanky]

with the addition of taylor, the steady improvement we've seen from montgomery and wilson, carter's consistency, griff's ability when healthy and (fingers crossed) the possibility of a healthy erasmus james, is it possible that the d-line could (gasp!) suddenly become the strength of our defense???

[MTK]

Originally Posted by J. Spanky

with the addition of taylor, the steady improvement we've seen from montgomery and wilson, carter's consistency, griff's ability when healthy and (fingers crossed) the possibility of a healthy erasmus james, is it possible that the d-line could (gasp!) suddenly become the strength of our defense???

The D-line was underrated last year. From a pass rushing point of view the line is definitely much improved now. JT isn't a slouch against the run either.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

3) I am slightly concerned with Taylor being asked to switch from RDE which he played in Miami, to LDE here. It's a slight concern, but I can't imagine he's going to go off for 15 sacks when making that switch.

I think for the preseason and the first few games, it's going to feel unnatural to him. But hey, Daniels and Renaldo Wynn both made the same switch and did just fine.

Ultimately, I think the switch will help because he's facing lesser competition against RTs than LTs. The exception is when we play Arizona -- but Carter is going to be on the 'blind' side anyway, so then everything will be flipped.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

In response to a few complaints I've seen on here:

1. I know this is really jarring to some people's mindsets, but draft picks really aren't guaranteed to work out....not even in the second round. (See Taylor Jacobs)

2. I don't know what dancing with the stars has to do with any of this. Are we really going to criticize a guy for doing something that didn't require him to miss any time with his team? It's the off-season......he's free to do whatever the F- he wants. It's not like the guy was sitting at home playing Madden all spring (or perhaps you'd be happier with that?). It's up to every individual player to keep themselves in shape during the offseason and I've seen absolutely zero indication that Taylor is in any way out of shape.

People are saying ridiculous things like "what kind of leader goes off dancing....he should be helping his 1-15 team to get better." When dancing with the stars was being filmed there wasn't any team organized training or team organized events that Taylor was somehow skipping out on. If he had been working out at the Dolphins facility at the time, there probably wouldn't have even been anyone else there.

3. Can we please look at this from a (perish the thought) football perspective. Any argument that Taylor doesn't represent a significant upgrade over anything we've had at DE for the last 10 years is completely unsupportable. Is someone going to tell me that the ESPN overhype (not sure where that comes from) is responsible for his 100+ sacks? Did ESPN somehow give Taylor 11 sacks last year? Give me a break.

4. Bruce Smith? Really, you want to go there? Ok, lets look at some facts. Bruce Smith came here in his 16th year in the league. Taylor is coming in his 12th. In Bruce Smith's 12th, 13th and 14th years he had 13.5, 14, and 10 sacks respectivley. Oh, and when he came here in his 16th year, he gave us 10 sacks (followed by 5, 9, and 5). And Smith was given an huge new contract......Taylor is playing under his old contract. This is NOT Bruce Smith all over again. In fact, the two situations have almost nothing in common.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

In response to a few complaints I've seen on here:

1. I know this is really jarring to some people's mindsets, but draft picks really aren't guaranteed to work out....not even in the second round. (See Taylor Jacobs)

2. I don't know what dancing with the stars has to do with any of this. Are we really going to criticize a guy for doing something that didn't require him to miss any time with his team? It's the off-season......he's free to do whatever the F- he wants. It's not like the guy was sitting at home playing Madden all spring (or perhaps you'd be happier with that?). It's up to every individual player to keep themselves in shape during the offseason and I've seen absolutely zero indication that Taylor is in any way out of shape.

People are saying ridiculous things like "what kind of leader goes off dancing....he should be helping his 1-15 team to get better." When dancing with the stars was being filmed there wasn't any team organized training or team organized events that Taylor was somehow skipping out on. If he had been working out at the Dolphins facility at the time, there probably wouldn't have even been anyone else there.

3. Can we please look at this from a (perish the thought) football perspective. Any argument that Taylor doesn't represent a significant upgrade over anything we've had at DE for the last 10 years is completely unsupportable. Is someone going to tell me that the ESPN overhype (not sure where that comes from) is responsible for his 100+ sacks? Did ESPN somehow give Taylor 11 sacks last year? Give me a break.

4. Bruce Smith? Really, you want to go there? Ok, lets look at some facts. Bruce Smith came here in his 16th year in the league. Taylor is coming in his 12th. In Bruce Smith's 12th, 13th and 14th years he had 13.5, 14, and 10 sacks respectivley. Oh, and when he came here in his 16th year, he gave us 10 sacks (followed by 5, 9, and 5). And Smith was given an huge new contract......Taylor is playing under his old contract. This is NOT Bruce Smith all over again. In fact, the two situations have almost nothing in common.

Good points.

I don't see this as another Bruce Smith either. Totally different situations.

And with the dancing thing, again I could really care less. Look at his football resume. It speaks loud and clear.