the new health care?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

any proof?

YouTube - Barack Obama: I Want Universal Health...

[firstdown]

Saden stated "The topic of the selfish nature of man was brought up to highlight that without government mandate some among us would not be interested in paying for UHC. Joe doesn't need to defend himself, and he isn't. He is merely expressing his view on the nature of man."

In my case its not that I don't want to pay for health care I allready pay a good sum each month its the fact that the goverment will make it more expensive then it currently is. Once again look at the model they are basing their plan off in Mass. Prices have jumped higher then private ins. but why look at the perfect example when we have Obama telling us this will not happen. We should just take his numbers as fact because he also said the stimulas would create jobs and unemployment would stay under 8.5%.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Saden stated "The topic of the selfish nature of man was brought up to highlight that without government mandate some among us would not be interested in paying for UHC. Joe doesn't need to defend himself, and he isn't. He is merely expressing his view on the nature of man."

In my case its not that I don't want to pay for health care I allready pay a good sum each month its the fact that the goverment will make it more expensive then it currently is. Once again look at the model they are basing their plan off in Mass. Prices have jumped higher then private ins. but why look at the perfect example when we have Obama telling us this will not happen. We should just take his numbers as fact because he also said the stimulas would create jobs and unemployment would stay under 8.5%.

Analysis: Recession's job losses
may take years to recover


cant build Rome in a day. give the man some time

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Originally Posted by dmek25

Analysis: Recession's job losses
may take years to recover


cant build Rome in a day. give the man some time

I'm using Obama's words not mine. He actually said it would not go over 8% so maybe he needs to read your link. If he was so dam smart he should have known that and not said anything at all, but maybe he is not that smart.I'm using Obama's words not mine. He actually said it would not go over 8% so maybe he needs to read your link. If he was so dam smart he should have known that and not said anything at all, but maybe he is not that smart. Now they are calling the people opposing his new Health Insurance Reform thugs. Great thing for a president to call the American people but this is coming from the party that stands for sit down and do as I say.

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Originally Posted by dmek25

Analysis: Recession's job losses
may take years to recover


cant build Rome in a day. give the man some time

not sure why it posted twice.

[GMScud]

Great read here:

Peggy Noonan: ‘You Are Terrifying Us’ - WSJ.com

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Great read here:

Peggy Noonan: ‘You Are Terrifying Us’ - WSJ.com

Thanks that was a good read. I just cannot believe how the Dems have gone so low with all the name calling of these people showing up at town hall meetings. Last time I looked they where US citizens and had the right of free speech. Maybe now free speech is only if your agree with Obama.

[dmek25]

i would argue with you. but im only allowed 1 post in any political thread otherwise i get spanked

[Dirtbag59]

I never could have imagined that "right wing extremist" were capable of making me smile. For now this is the closest thing we have to political balance until the next set of elections in 2010. I mean I love Obama and a lot of the things he's doing but a democratic president with a democratic majority in the house and the senate scares the daylight out of me. And for the record the opposite doesn't make me sleep well at night either.

Keep up the protest crazy people

In the meantime Obama would probably do well to learn from his predecessor as I think a main reason people really started to turn on Bush was because he just started doing his own thing and as a result tuned out when it came to public opinion.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I never could have imagined that "right wing extremist" were capable of making me smile. For now this is the closest thing we have to political balance until the next set of elections in 2010. I mean I love Obama and a lot of the things he's doing but a democratic president with a democratic majority in the house and the senate scares the daylight out of me. And for the record the opposite doesn't make me sleep well at night either.

Keep up the protest crazy people

In the meantime Obama would probably do well to learn from his predecessor as I think a main reason people really started to turn on Bush was because he just started doing his own thing and as a result tuned out when it came to public opinion.

How come when people protest Rep. they don't get called all these names but when the shoe is on the other foot the left calls them name after name. We even had Nancy P. speaker of the house state that the protester where using a swas stickers and calling them thugs. We saw the same with the Tea Party stuff. Funny how Obama talks about these people but Bush just aways said they have the right to protest.

[firstdown]

I was wondering if any of you people on the left sent any of this information posted here to the Obama snitch line. This sounds like something that an high school principle might do to crack down on kids breaking the rules.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I was wondering if any of you people on the left sent any of this information posted here to the Obama snitch line. This sounds like something that an high school principle might do to crack down on kids breaking the rules.

I ratted myself out with some of the info and links I posted here. I'm sure an IRS audit or some other Chicago-style thuggery is coming my way. Oh well, I'll just move to TX when it seceeds from the union.
I also wrote Glenn Nye and let him know I'd do everything I could to make sure he wouldn't be returning to DC in 2010 if he votes for this.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

I was wondering about this, where are all the good liberal protectors of free speech and individual privacy (ACLU, etc.) that fought so hard against the "evil" Bush Administration's Patriot Act? I guess it's OK to fight for the rights of terrorists and those who would harm the U.S., but any conservative American citizens who have broken no laws and have legitimate disagreements with the current Administration, well the ACLU certainly won't stand up for them. They won't get in the way of Premier Obama and the Politburo shaping the country into a Worker's Paradise, good news for the anti-American Communist Lawyers Union.

From John Cornyn's letter to the President:

“I am not aware of any precedent for a president asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White house for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,” the Texas senator wrote in a letter to Obama.

“By requesting that citizens send ‘fishy’ e-mails to the White House, it is inevitable that the names, e-mail addresses, IP addresses, and private speech of U.S. citizens will be reported … You should not be surprised that these actions taken by your White House staff raise the specter of a data collection system.”

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I was wondering about this, where are all the good liberal protectors of free speech and individual privacy (ACLU, etc.) that fought so hard against the "evil" Bush Administration's Patriot Act? I guess it's OK to fight for the rights of terrorists and those who would harm the U.S., but any conservative American citizens who have broken no laws and have legitimate disagreements with the current Administration, well the ACLU certainly won't stand up for them. They won't get in the way of Premier Obama and the Politburo shaping the country into a Worker's Paradise, good news for the anti-American Communist Lawyers Union.

From John Cornyn's letter to the President:

“I am not aware of any precedent for a president asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White house for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,” the Texas senator wrote in a letter to Obama.

“By requesting that citizens send ‘fishy’ e-mails to the White House, it is inevitable that the names, e-mail addresses, IP addresses, and private speech of U.S. citizens will be reported … You should not be surprised that these actions taken by your White House staff raise the specter of a data collection system.”

Not to change subject but where is the up roar from the left on Afganistan and the setting of time lines, goals and other things they demanded of Bush in Iraq. With the troop surge and the deaths rising we hear nothing.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Not to change subject but where is the up roar from the left on Afganistan and the setting of time lines, goals and other things they demanded of Bush in Iraq. With the troop surge and the deaths rising we hear nothing.

Actually I think many on the left are upset with Obama about this, but they probably don't want to take shots at him when he's trying to destroy the health insurance industry. To them, government health care might even be more important than the war right now.

Bill Maher often talks about this and he hasn't been kind to Obama with the war issue.