Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

its the same one so it doesn't matter read my post above this one bro...and shocker your a campbell fan cause your from mississippi..and redskingirl just copyed stats from nfl or espn.com and just threw those out there she clearly wouldn't know that off the top of her head, for all i know she could be JC's girlfriend

A) I'm not from Mississippi. I just live here now.
B) I never said that I was a JC fan. I have simply argued against your uneducated rants.
C) It doesn't matter whether redskinsgirl knew her stats or got them from ESPN. She demonstrated that you are mistaken. That is the point.

You are a Cowboys troll, aren't you?

[DBUCHANON101]

I grew up in MS. but that still doesnt make me see something that isnt there.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

Sigh. I already listed a couple in a few posts back. Since you consider JC supbar that would be any QB who stats were worse or similar to JC when it come to yards, TDS, and int.

kerry collins is better than JC and he's really the only subpar QB o and flacco that i would consider..flacco had no receivers and still did great, he took chances and won games for the ravens..collins is a great passer can learn an offense in a season and perform, unlike campbell, and he had no receivers as well just a really good RB whose faster than portis, they're defense was as good as ours IMO...Warner is a lot better than JC, he can make reads and is proven, being named MVP a few years ago, and going to 3 SB's, winning one of them, mcnabb isn't subpar he's great and is way better than jason campbell, he isn't afraid to sling it, Eli is better than JC and he isn't afraid to take chances, he passes the ball all over the field, Delhomme is a better QB than Jason, he kept on throwing in the NFC playoff game even after getting picked 6 times, sure he had a bad game but he's been to more pro bowls and super bowls than JC, and the rest of the year he was doing great up till that game, matt ryan isn't subpar, he's in the top 10 IMO of great QB's right now in the league, hes a great game manager, makes plays, throws all over the field knows when to throw it away or take a sack instead of make a play...chad pennington is very accurate, doesn't have that strong of an arm but is a little better JC, cause he can manage and he's been to the playoffs a lot (he's probably the only one on this list that is worth an arguement as to him and JC) he also had to learn an offense very quicky and he didn't take any steps back, and brought last years worst team to the playoffs..Rivers is way better than JC, don't be surprised if Dan goes after him after this year he'll probably be franchised tho...does that answer your question now all those QBs that are in the playoffs last year are better than JC, and some of them had to learn an offense instantly and didn't have all summer like JC to learn it, and two of the them came right out of college...now you tell me why JC can't be like them, come on please tell me, if you think you know football like me, your dead wrong

[DBUCHANON101]

you think drew brees going from san diegos offense to new orleans he was saying we'll im switching offenses so im gonna take a few steps back this year cause im switching offenses, you think roethlisberger said that when whisenhunt left, how bout matt ryan going from college to the atlanta, how bout flacco going from Division 2 to the starting QB of the Ravens, Eli switched coordinators midway through 06 and still made the playoffs, and one the super bowl the next year.....i could go on and on..

good points. at some point as a pro, you either get it or you dont. players change teams and coaches each yr. the good ones still play at a high level. Pennington went to a 1-15 team. wins comeback player of the year. Kurt Warner and the Cards changed HC's and OC's in 2007. he threw 27 td's that yr.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by Lotus

A) I'm not from Mississippi. I just live here now.
B) I never said that I was a JC fan. I have simply argued against your uneducated rants.
C) It doesn't matter whether redskinsgirl knew her stats or got them from ESPN. She demonstrated that you are mistaken. That is the point.

You are a Cowboys troll, aren't you?

she didn't school me skipper, stats don't show the whole truth, and you can't call me uneducated, cause i know more about football or academics than you guaranteed...and no im not a cowboys fan, you can look back on previous message threads and read my previous positive pro redskin comments..its just that jason campbell and me don't go well in a conversation and when people start saying hes great and well lead us to the super bowl that deserves a long arguement in my book

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

she didn't school me skipper, stats don't show the whole truth, and you can't call me uneducated, cause i know more about football or academics than you guaranteed...and no im not a cowboys fan, you can look back on previous message threads and read my previous positive pro redskin comments..its just that jason campbell and me don't go well in a conversation and when people start saying hes great and well lead us to the super bowl that deserves a long arguement in my book

As for the first, I'll believe that when you write something intelligent about football in complete, grammatically-correct sentences.

As for the second, you REPEATEDLY wished harm on a Redskins player. That makes you a Cowboys fan in my book, as no true Redskins fan would do such a horrid thing.

[DBUCHANON101]

you still didnt answer his question.... ill hum the jeopardy theme while we wait.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Baltimore scored 214 pts their last 8 games. thats over 25 pts a game on avg. So obviousley the QB was getting his team in position to score. Like when Collins took over and led us to the playoffs,he wasnt having monster games yet we avg'd 20+ points a game with him at the helm. Same team that was left for dead with JC under Center.

How does scoring 214 points prove that the QB put them in position to score? Most of those points didn't come from the QB throwing TDS. You forgot to state how many of the points came from defensive turnovers.

Remember skins had zero points from defensive turnovers in all 16 games. Maybe 2 TDs from defensive turnovers could have been the difference from being 10-6 compared to 8-8. That really one of the main difference between the skins and the other teams with mediocre QB play who made the playoffs

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by Lotus

As for the first, I'll believe that when you write something intelligent about football in complete, grammatically-correct sentences.

As for the second, you REPEATEDLY wished harm on a Redskins player. That makes you a Cowboys fan in my book, as no true Redskins fan would do such a horrid thing.

Im a lazy typer so i don't care about my grammar and spelling
As for the bold statement, only the fans that want to win and see improvement would say that...ie me!!!mwah hahaha

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

how was i cherry picking? we all see JC on the field each week. I was showing the promise seen by the coaches in the young guys that ppl were sayin wouldnt play because they are called system QB's

I already have shown this several times. You present only the information which agrees with you point and ignore/omit the information which refutes what you are trying to say. Please pay attention.

[DBUCHANON101]

I said the guys ie Colt and Chase could be good and are more than the 'system' QB's you say they are. I showed where the offensive coach backed it up with his observations.. what did i omit??

You are trying too hard to prove something but i dont know what it is. maybe you dont either.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

How does scoring 214 points prove that the QB put them in position to score? Most of those points didn't come from the QB throwing TDS. You forgot to state how many of the points came from defensive turnovers.

Remember skins had zero points from defensive turnovers in all 16 games. Maybe 2 TDs from defensive turnovers could have been the difference from being 10-6 compared to 8-8. That really one of the main difference between the skins and the other teams with mediocre QB play who made the playoffs

the point is that our defense put us in position to score, but JC or shuisham couldn't come thru, whereas flacco and the ravens could get some points

[DBUCHANON101]

We are still waiting on you to answer the mans question...

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

kerry collins is better than JC and he's really the only subpar QB o and flacco that i would consider..flacco had no receivers and still did great, he took chances and won games for the ravens..collins is a great passer can learn an offense in a season and perform, unlike campbell, and he had no receivers as well just a really good RB whose faster than portis, they're defense was as good as ours IMO...Warner is a lot better than JC, he can make reads and is proven, being named MVP a few years ago, and going to 3 SB's, winning one of them, mcnabb isn't subpar he's great and is way better than jason campbell, he isn't afraid to sling it, Eli is better than JC and he isn't afraid to take chances, he passes the ball all over the field, Delhomme is a better QB than Jason, he kept on throwing in the NFC playoff game even after getting picked 6 times, sure he had a bad game but he's been to more pro bowls and super bowls than JC, and the rest of the year he was doing great up till that game, matt ryan isn't subpar, he's in the top 10 IMO of great QB's right now in the league, hes a great game manager, makes plays, throws all over the field knows when to throw it away or take a sack instead of make a play...chad pennington is very accurate, doesn't have that strong of an arm but is a little better JC, cause he can manage and he's been to the playoffs a lot (he's probably the only one on this list that is worth an arguement as to him and JC) he also had to learn an offense very quicky and he didn't take any steps back, and brought last years worst team to the playoffs..Rivers is way better than JC, don't be surprised if Dan goes after him after this year he'll probably be franchised tho...does that answer your question now all those QBs that are in the playoffs last year are better than JC, and some of them had to learn an offense instantly and didn't have all summer like JC to learn it, and two of the them came right out of college...now you tell me why JC can't be like them, come on please tell me, if you think you know football like me, your dead wrong

Did I say all the QBs who made the playoffs were subpar? No I didn't. You didn't answer anything. How are they better? You didn't prove anything.

Collins, Flacco, Big Ben, and Ryan had stats similar or worse to JC and their teams still went to the playoffs. I don't consider them being subpar. I was just saying since you considered JC to be subpar because he didn't throw alot of TDs than, that must mean Collins, Flacco, Ben, and Ryan must be too.

You still haven't explained why Collins, Flacco, Big Ben and Ryan teams were able to go to the playoffs without throwing alot of TDs???

JC actually played similar to the QBs mention above.

Btw Ryan wasn't a top ten QB last season.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

the point is that our defense put us in position to score, but JC or shuisham couldn't come thru, whereas flacco and the ravens could get some points

There is this thing called consistency in making arguments which you don't seem to follow. You clearly stated...

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

kerry collins is better than JC and he's really the only subpar QB o and flacco that i would consider..flacco had no receivers and still did great, he took chances and won games for the ravens..

Now you changed your argument from "Flacco won games for the Ravens", to "whereas Flacco and the Ravens could get some points". Now this is just a small portion of your argument that I can counter by using those "CRAAAZY" stats.

Here's a rough look at the 2008 Ravens and their performance against other teams. If Flacco indeed "won" games for the Ravens, then I am to assume that this means he produced points at the end of the game that directly led to the win (since to you the fact that they had an elite scoring defense doesn't mean crap to you).

Cincy – W – no 4th qtr TD
Clev – W – no 4th qtr TD (defense holds opponent to low score)
Pit – L – no TDs thrown
Ind – L – no TDs thrown
Mia – W – no 4th qtr TD (defense holds opponent to low score)
Oak – W – no 4th qtr TD (defense holds opponent to low score)
Clev – W – 4th qtr TD thrown (strong showing by offense)
Hou – W – blow out win (defense holds opponent to low score)
NYG – L – blowout loss – no 4th qtr TD thrown
Phil – W - 4th qtr TD thrown (strong showing by offense/defense)
Cin – W – blow out win (defense holds opponent to low score)
Was – W – 4th qtr TD thrown (defense holds opponent to low score)
Pit – L – no TDs thrown
Dal – W – 4th qtr TD thrown (strong showing by offense/defense)
Jax – W – no TDs thrown (defense holds opponent to low score)

I looked at 4th Qtr TDs thrown by Flacco (yes I know I am simplifying this a bit, disregarding his performance that indirectly resulted in points). Now, in the two games I bolded, Flacco did have a strong offensive showing, the opposing teams put up points against the Ravens, and the ability of Flacco to put up points on the board were important to the win.

However, in most of the other games, Flacco did not have to "win" the game as you put it, most of the time the Ravens defense held the opposing team under 14 pts.; and then there are those games where they lost.