Campbell's numbers dont lie

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You crack me up with the Gus mentions. We're talking about a guy who head-butted a cement wall for crying out loud.

True, but at least he had heart!!!!! And unless JC gets the TD machine going Gus will still be over JC in passing TDs as a Skin at year's end!!!!!!!!! Also, did Gus have the weapons like JC does now?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

True, but at least he had heart!!!!! And unless JC gets the TD machine going Gus will still be over JC in passing TDs as a Skin at year's end!!!!!!!!! Also, did Gus have the weapons like JC does now?

He didn't have a Cooley comparable, but then again, Campbell's numbers are just better. So Cooley might help to explain that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

True, but at least he had heart!!!!! And unless JC gets the TD machine going Gus will still be over JC in passing TDs as a Skin at year's end!!!!!!!!! Also, did Gus have the weapons like JC does now?

Yeah you got me, tried looking up some heart stats and Gus clearly wins. As for weapons didn't Gus have the likes of Henry Ellard?

And I wouldn't brag too hard on his numbers... they were less than impressive. In fact they were pretty mediocre.

Gus Frerotte NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah you got me, tried looking up some heart stats and Gus clearly wins. As for weapons didn't Gus have the likes of Henry Ellard?

And I wouldn't brag too hard on his numbers... they were less than impressive.

Gus Frerotte NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Ellard was on the downslope of his career at that point, so was Leslie Shepard. He also didn't have a Cooley to save his ass either.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

For one thing I have yet to see any post Lion defeat thread have anyone say bench JC, except the one here. Next is that stats don't lie, but we still can't get into the endzone, which is not JC's fault. I was at the game Sunday with some of my friends who are Lions fans. My best friend who is an avid Lion and football fan in general told me that we needed a new QB. I told him to look at the scoreboard stats, it didn't matter to him. You know what, he is right. Stafford is a rook and showed more poise than JC an guy that has been around for 6 years. What did JC have, 3 or 4 dropped snaps that could have ended up as fumbles? The one he recovered rather nicely, but why did he lose the snaps in the first place? Other times he was like a deer in headlights not sure whether to throw or run or who to throw to. The other intangible is the leadership aspect of being 'the man", and JC is woefully inadequate in this aspect of his role as starter. Shit Gus showed more emotion and tried to rally the team more back during the Norv days than JC has now. Zorn's scheme is the basic problem, but JC, along with a lot of the squad deserves a lot of heat from Sunday's game. THey showed absolutely no fire at all, either sides of the ball. Oh and props to good ole Gus, for he truly did more with less!!!!!

I like the part where you totally outsmarted your friend, and then for no reason concluded that he was right.

Maybe there's something intangible that Campbell is missing that contributes to the offensive disorganization. But it never looks like the game is too fast for him out there, if anything, it looks like he wants to get out there and run plays faster than Zorn can get them in. I put the disorganization on Zorn, not Campbell lacking in intangibles.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I like the part where you totally outsmarted your friend, and then for no reason concluded that he was right.

Maybe there's something intangible that Campbell is missing that contributes to the offensive disorganization. But it never looks like the game is too fast for him out there, if anything, it looks like he wants to get out there and run plays faster than Zorn can get them in. I put the disorganization on Zorn, not Campbell lacking in intangibles.

I switched that part to he had a point. Besides he did have a valid point. JC is indecisive and shows no fire in being the leader of the offense. Stafford looked more relaxed/poised than JC. That was all too painfully obvious!!! JC is the man, but really hasn't grown into the part yet.

Gus Frerotte Rules!!!!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I switched that part to he had a point. Besides he did have a valid point. JC is indecisive and shows no fire in being the leader of the offense. Stafford looked more relaxed/poised than JC. That was all too painfully obvious!!! JC is the man, but really hasn't grown into the part yet.

Gus Frerotte Sucks!!!!

See this is the reason why Jason Campbell needs to go to another team, you got the f'ing owner wanting to ship him out town and stupid fans that are making up reasons to hate him and lay the blame solely on him.

As I said, I wish Campbell was a terrible QB so these morons had something to complain about.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

See this is the reason why Jason Campbell needs to go to another team, you got the f'ing owner wanting to ship him out town and stupid fans that are making up reasons to hate him and lay the blame solely on him.

As I said, I wish Campbell was a terrible QB so these morons had something to complain about.

Dude I am having fun here. Cut the crap. I don't hate on JC at all. Read the original post. I say that JC isn't the main reason, but he does have to bear some brunt of the blame. A coach can only do so much til it rests in the hands of the players to execute. This is just another crazy stream of funny rants by me Gus Frerotte.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

See this is the reason why Jason Campbell needs to go to another team, you got the f'ing owner wanting to ship him out town and stupid fans that are making up reasons to hate him and lay the blame solely on him.

As I said, I wish Campbell was a terrible QB so these morons had something to complain about.

See JarMarcus Russell for terrible in Websters. Raiders fans would love to trade us for JC for Russell.

[GusFrerotte]

God I miss the early Norv days. I think I am going to get a Frerotte jersey now!!!!!

[Jesse E. Timmons]

campbell is mark brunell jr. he is a happy looser.

[SmootSmack]

Gus had Brian Mitchell

[GTripp0012]

Part of the reason Stafford looked poised is because he never had to go past his first read all day.

The exception to the rule was the 3rd and 14 play following the accepted holding penalty when he ran for 22 yards.

[bigant]

stop it he stinks,who cares what the numbers say,in big spots he is a dear in headlights enough said,.......

[Rajmahal33]

Stats are usually good indicators, but can be deceiving...

1) JC gets a high completion percentage b/c he throws short and/or safe passes. Usually this is a good thing, especially when nursing a lead, but as we all know, the redskins have not had this luxury for quite some time. A QB should take risk so in order to balance out the completions % stat, u must look at number of pass plays over 20 yards (a category which, JC has been very sub-par over his career). Also completing passes that are short of a first down on 3rd and long are about as good as incompletions and should be accounted for in such instances. The OP mentioned Chad Pennington (who has the highest completion % among active QB's), but who here really considers him to be an elite QB. His completion % is very much deceptive in the same way JC's is.

2) Lack of TD's by a QB is one of the 3 most important statistical categories. How can someone doing a statistical analysis of his play neglect this or offer to reconcile his deficiency in this category? It is an absolutely telling stat about the offensive production of the team of which JC should be the field general. It ultimately falls on his shoulders, more than any player, and if he can't at least average 2 TD's a game, you cannot make the assertion that he is anywhere near the top 10 statistically. Just think 2 TD's in a game for JC was actually a GOOD day for him, compared to what is expected of the other elites of the NFL (which would be an average-to-poor showing).

3) JC gets a decent amount of passing yards because of two reasons: (1) We have receivers who r great at getting YAC (which is partly to his credit for putting the ball where it needs to be but largely are a product of the receivers' (ARE, Moss, and Cooley) skill set); (2) Often times he is forced to get big yardage in the second half and at the ends of games b/c it is a close game or we are down and we need to throw to catch up. He tends to rack up yards against prevent defenses (which again is to his credit) but had he is largely responsible for putting the team in that come-from-behind mode in the first place. Think about a typical game for Manning, Brees, or Brady. They are racking up yards and completions throughout the game. I don't know if u guys have been watching the same skins that I have for the past 3 years but it seems like we have 1 or 2 drives in the first half and then go away for an extended period of time only to have to rally back late in the game. Good QB's don't put themselves in this position most of the times.

4) To go one step further great QB's have confidence in their play (and instill confidence in the coaching staff) to the point where they are being aggressive even with a small lead. Nobody has the type of confidence in JC to allow him to try to rack up yards late in a close game to put the game out of reach... why? Isn't this the same QB who has a great completion % and low INT rate? The stats say you should want him to throw it, but seldom do you see this.

Yes, we have had a great running game in the past, but you can't start nursing a lead halfway thru the 3rd quarter. Yes, we've had O-line injuries in the past, but which team hasn't? At this level you must be able to adapt. The bottom line is that JC doesn't have that killer instinct (or his coaches don't have faith that he does), but either way some of the blame for that falls on him. More importantly, this lack of execution/faith is reflected in his play even though it may be lost in his padded stats. Ultimately it comes down to W's and L's and as we all know JC has been an average QB by this most important metric...