Annual Predict the Final Roster Thread: 2010 Version

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Route running matters more to a WR because it makes up 80-90% of why they get separation. Chad Ochocinco certainly knows about it, and I'm not about to question his expertise.
Physical gifts are is nice, but not having the right "instincts" and body control is why Devin is going to be mediocre or just "good depth" instead of a great WR.

Route running is also in important is because your QB has trust the WR will run the correct route. Speed is not always the most important in running routes its coming out of your breaks that make sepration which means quickness is also very important.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Other than being the most talented guy we have that is.

Look he has the best combo of speed and size on the team. He isn't a drop machine despite the revisionism that is going on here. The knock on him has always been just focusing and going about his job in a pro manner. Honestly the only WR I keep over him is Moss. The guy deserves one more chance to make it work in a real offense with real coaches. Just based on his potential we'd be morons to cut him.

So far 2 years of potential hasn't meant dick on the field. I really, really, really hope he turns out to be a decent pro, but based on what we've seen so far, I don't know how we can expect that.

[CultBrennan59]

I think we could BS robert henson's knee injury put him on IR, making a spot available, like I don't know Anthony Bryant, Banks, Austin, or Torain.

[GTripp0012]

And I don't want to downplay Banks fumble issues as "not a big deal". Rather, I don't think his muffs or fumbles cost him a spot on the team, but instead framed the question in the minds of Mike Shanahan and Danny Smith of whether the reward is worth the risk. Because if it's not, Banks doesn't have much value otherwise.

[MTK]

His fumbles are part of the risk/reward.

Risk = his questionable ball handling

Reward = big time speed

[GTripp0012]

I guess what I'm saying is that even if Banks happened to not fumble in the preseason (just those four games), we'd still have to make the same risk/reward decision we do now. But having him "be himself" all this time shows us exactly what we have if we choose to keep him.

[Mechanix544]

Thomas makes the team, Banks is on the PS.

MS gives DT at least 2 weeks to produce as a #2, with Galloway at the 3.

(That is unless we end up snagging VJ, which is more of a need now than ever.........)

[FRPLG]

And we can't knock Galloway...they have him reeled in by design. This off-season has been about figuring out if Thomas can ever be good (nothing has shown that he can't) and deciding whether either Banks or Austin have potential. At the end of the day I don't think it is debatable that Thomas has been one of our best 5 WRs. Who has been better? Moss, Armstrong....then who? Not Banks for sure..maybe Austin..maybe not.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

And we can't knock Galloway...they have him reeled in by design. This off-season has been about figuring out if Thomas can ever be good (nothing has shown that he can't) and deciding whether either Banks or Austin have potential. At the end of the day I don't think it is debatable that Thomas has been one of our best 5 WRs. Who has been better? Moss, Armstrong....then who? Not Banks for sure..maybe Austin..maybe not.

Wouldn't you think that the burden of proof is on Thomas (and everyone but Moss/Galloway) to show that he belongs, not to not show that he doesn't?

If we just kept the five best wide receivers based on one preseason, it would probably be 1. Armstrong, 2. Moss, 3. Austin, 4. Thomas, and 5. Roydell Williams. But with Galloway deeply entrenched in the team's plans, that probably drops Williams off the roster. Which, would also move Thomas to the bubble. Then if you decide "this team needs Brandon Banks" (or Bobby Wade or whatever), then Thomas is gone.

So on merit alone, he makes it and doesn't play all that much. But keep in mind that on merit (from just play this preseason), Galloway doesn't make it, and Banks is really, really close to the bubble. He hasn't shown to be better than Thomas, I don't think. But Thomas has had plenty of chances to flash upside that would make him worth keeping and/or extending, and it just doesn't appear to be there.

Guys without much upside on the bubble are anything but locks.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

And we can't knock Galloway...they have him reeled in by design. This off-season has been about figuring out if Thomas can ever be good (nothing has shown that he can't) and deciding whether either Banks or Austin have potential. At the end of the day I don't think it is debatable that Thomas has been one of our best 5 WRs. Who has been better? Moss, Armstrong....then who? Not Banks for sure..maybe Austin..maybe not.

Look people we know Moss is money during the season but he has to have another WR to take the pressure off him. I say Thomas or even Armstrong maybe that WR. Galloway will not be much of a impact this season but he will make some plays. I also like Terrence Austins ability to get open and run after the catch ability. Remember he ran punts and kicks back at UCLA. Austin is quick out of his breaks. We have to give our young guys a chance to play they have youth and athletic ability over Galloway. Mile Austin played on the Cowboys when TO and Roy Williams were the focal point but look now he got his chance to play and now he is their #1 WR. Sometimes we most let a young WR get his chance to play. Galloway needs to be released give me Thomas, Moss , Austin, Armstrong and Banks. Youth, Speed and Athletic abiltiy will make plays for us.

[2BIG2BSKINNY]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Galloway needs to be released give me Thomas, Moss , Austin, Armstrong and Banks. Youth, Speed and Athletic abiltiy will make plays for us.

How about release Banks and pick up
T.J. Houshmandzadeh

he is a little past his prime but a good possesion receiver and a treat... he would do more than Banks who fumbles a lot. I think the thought of that speed is tempting, but speed will come again. We need to give Mcnabb another target.

Is it possible...?

[wilsowilso]

Anyone who thinks Devin Thomas is going to be the #2 or #3 WR against the Cowboys is high on drugs.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Anyone who thinks Devin Thomas is going to be the #2 or #3 WR against the Cowboys is high on drugs.

I'm floating over the clouds. I'll go Moss, Galloway, Thomas, with Galloway starting only because it's big game under the lights and he's an experienced vet but nice the skins offense gets into it's groove Armstrong will come right in.

And I take my chances with Banks on the practice squad. He won't be the last little speedster to come along

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm floating over the clouds. I'll go Moss, Galloway, Thomas, with Galloway starting only because it's big game under the lights and he's an experienced vet but nice the skins offense gets into it's groove Armstrong will come right in.

And I take my chances with Banks on the practice squad. He won't be the last little speedster to come along

If Galloway stays, he won't be around long. Unless we somehow bring in a real stud, i think Moss and Thomas will be our starting wideouts by week 4, with Moss moving to the slot when Armstrong comes in on 3 receiver sets.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If Galloway stays, he won't be around long. Unless we somehow bring in a real stud, i think Moss and Thomas will be our starting wideouts by week 4, with Moss moving to the slot when Armstrong comes in on 3 receiver sets.

In this scenario why not just leave Armstrong in the slot? I think he may be perfect for it.