Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Dolphins)

[SBXVII]

I know "both" QB's suck, it's hard to believe Rex is better then Beck. But as bad as Rex is I have to mention that again I don't think the INT's were all Rex's fault. The first one Hankerson fell down on his route, the second one I watched #10 WR run a slant route right into the LB. Why? I don't know. But instead of taking his route to the inside of the LB he stopped and started running behind the LB/post route looking for an open section of field.

I totally agree Rex should have seen the LB atleast from my perspective but perhaps not from Rex's. Again I don't want it to sound like I'm dismissing Rex's short comings but I couldn't help but think the WR failed to run the right route.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I know "both" QB's suck, it's hard to believe Rex is better then Beck. But as bad as Rex is I have to mention that again I don't think the INT's were all Rex's fault. The first one Hankerson fell down on his route, the second one I watched #10 WR run a slant route right into the LB. Why? I don't know. But instead of taking his route to the inside of the LB he stopped and started running behind the LB/post route looking for an open section of field.

I totally agree Rex should have seen the LB atleast from my perspective but perhaps not from Rex's. Again I don't want it to sound like I'm dismissing Rex's short comings but I couldn't help but think the WR failed to run the right route.

I guess now it is a moot point, but with the way that Hank was going up in the air and attacking the ball, I don't know why they didn't throw a fade into the endzone and let Hank outjump the CBs. We could technically do the same with Davis, but he just doesn't attack the ball enough to beat the DBs.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I guess now it is a moot point, but with the way that Hank was going up in the air and attacking the ball, I don't know why they didn't throw a fade into the endzone and let Hank outjump the CBs. We could technically do the same with Davis, but he just doesn't attack the ball enough to beat the DBs.

I was listening to the radio today and a comment was made that Hankerson although big and plays big never seems to get yards after the carry. He jumps for the ball fights for it whatever then falls to the ground. I agree with you on the fades. Maybe he turns out to be our possession WR. Which basically means we need a WR who is going to catch the ball in stride and get yards after the catch..... but thats assuming we have a QB who can deliver the ball to the WR in stride. lol.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I know "both" QB's suck, it's hard to believe Rex is better then Beck. But as bad as Rex is I have to mention that again I don't think the INT's were all Rex's fault. The first one Hankerson fell down on his route, the second one I watched #10 WR run a slant route right into the LB. Why? I don't know. But instead of taking his route to the inside of the LB he stopped and started running behind the LB/post route looking for an open section of field.

I totally agree Rex should have seen the LB atleast from my perspective but perhaps not from Rex's. Again I don't want it to sound like I'm dismissing Rex's short comings but I couldn't help but think the WR failed to run the right route.

You're far too kind with Rex. He totally stared down Gaffney and as usual, didn't see the coverage underneath.

It's ok to say it, Rex blows.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You're far too kind with Rex. He totally stared down Gaffney and as usual, didn't see the coverage underneath.

It's ok to say it, Rex blows.

I watched that INT over and over and over again yesterday and all I could keep thinking was if Rex had some legs he's got an open space on the right side to run for a few yards instead of forcing the throw

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I watched that INT over and over and over again yesterday and all I could keep thinking was if Rex had some legs he's got an open space on the right side to run for a few yards instead of forcing the throw

Yeah... I think he made up his mind in the huddle where he was going with that throw.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah... I think he made up his mind in the huddle where he was going with that throw.

Well he basically said after the game he felt an obligation to make something happen. Which is what always happens. He's out to prove that he can be the reason we win games, and it just backfires

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You're far too kind with Rex. He totally stared down Gaffney and as usual, didn't see the coverage underneath.

It's ok to say it, Rex blows.

Yes he did stare down Gaffney. How hard is it to teach a QB to not look at the intended WR? maybe go through your progressions backwards, look at him at the beginning to make sure he's gotten off his block then come back to him at the right time.

I remember watching the play develope and immediatly looked to Gaffney myself because I thought oooh slant go to him.... but then it seemed Grossman waited too long to go to the play, Gaffney ran right into the LB and stopped and then instead of getting in front of the LB he shuffles behind him and works his route toward the endzone, and the dreaded pass right into the LB's hands.

[SirClintonPortis]

We are not showing improvement because Mike Shanahan did not fully commit himself to rebuilding the roster. Detroit made that commitment the year . He made a gross miscalcuations with the roster in 2010 and essentially wasted a year. But I am willing to give him a mulligan since he at least didn't mortgage away high draft picks this offseason and the players he picked have shown promise.

[GTripp0012]

Crowdsourcing:

Let's say the Redskins keep the status quo and draft a quarterback in the first round in 2012. That is the only starter that comes out of the draft. We can add a reasonably priced class of free agents.

How many wins do the Redskins improve over this year's 4 or 5 win effort?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Crowdsourcing:

Let's say the Redskins keep the status quo and draft a quarterback in the first round in 2012. That is the only starter that comes out of the draft. We can add a reasonably priced class of free agents.

How many wins do the Redskins improve over this year's 4 or 5 win effort?

There are so many "ifs" in that question/scenario. IF we stay relatively healthy (unlike 2011), IF some of our other draft picks in the 2012 draft (we have plenty) contribute, and IF that rookie QB can come in as a starter and immediately play decent, then we could certainly sniff the 8 or 9 win mark, maybe more.

It's all about the quarterback.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

There are so many "ifs" in that question/scenario. IF we stay relatively healthy (unlike 2011), IF some of our other draft picks in the 2012 draft (we have plenty) contribute, and IF that rookie QB can come in as a starter and immediately play decent, then we could certainly sniff the 8 or 9 win mark, maybe more.

It's all about the quarterback.

I don't want the if's, I just want an expectation. Like for example, if we're going to draft the right QB next year, are fans expecting us to be in the playoffs next year?

Maybe, maybe not? I just wanted that kind of opinion. 8 or 9 wins seems reasonable enough, but we're so very far from that level right now, I just don't know what kind of improvement we're expecting.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't want the if's, I just want an expectation. Like for example, if we're going to draft the right QB next year, are fans expecting us to be in the playoffs next year?

Maybe, maybe not? I just wanted that kind of opinion. 8 or 9 wins seems reasonable enough, but we're so very far from that level right now, I just don't know what kind of improvement we're expecting.

Given the improvement of the defense this year when compared to last year, you'd think they'll get even better next season. Given that, if we draft the right QB next year, I think playoffs are a reasonable expectation. We've seen it enough times now in the NFL- rookie QBs can succeed (even with a lockout for pete's sake).

Injuries are a big IF though. If that rookie QB is playing well and then loses his best RB, starting TE (who is a great run blocker), best WR, and 3/5 of his offensive line, are the playoffs a reasonable expectation? Not as much...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Given the improvement of the defense this year when compared to last year, you'd think they'll get even better next season. Given that, if we draft the right QB next year, I think playoffs are a reasonable expectation. We've seen it enough times now in the NFL- rookie QBs can succeed (even with a lockout for pete's sake).

Injuries are a big IF though. If that rookie QB is playing well and then loses his best RB, starting TE (who is a great run blocker), best WR, and 3/5 of his offensive line, are the playoffs a reasonable expectation? Not as much...

Fair points, all of them.

So lets say that this last scenario happens and the Redskins go 6-10. Now what? Shanahan probably resigns after a 17-31 record, but what if he doesn't?

My thing is this: the answer should be simple. If he's the right guy for the job, nothing in terms of injuries and losing should change that between now and the end of 2012. But the Shanahan era has exceeded simple losing. It's just really ugly. The players don't even believe anymore. The Redskins are no less dysfunctional now than they were under Cerrato. In light of this evidence, I'm not seeing a Shanahan super bowl in 2014...so long as we don't fire him first.

I don't think anyone else is seeing that either. But some talk as if it's a reasonable certainty we'll give away if we get impatient and fire him now.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't want the if's, I just want an expectation. Like for example, if we're going to draft the right QB next year, are fans expecting us to be in the playoffs next year?

Maybe, maybe not? I just wanted that kind of opinion. 8 or 9 wins seems reasonable enough, but we're so very far from that level right now, I just don't know what kind of improvement we're expecting.

Optimistic: RG3 or Luck is somehow drafted. Licht returns fully healthy, J. Brown, Hank, Moss, Cooley, Davis, Hightower, Torain, OJA, LL, J. Jenkins all healthy. KS adapts gameplans to a rookie (albeit a very talented and intelligent rookie). Weak schedule. Yes, I'd expect 9-10 wins and challenging for playoffs.

Take of the B & G colored glasses....and that scenario could go high-and-wide pretty quick.

EDIT: We also get a good CB in FA.