2012 Draft-QB Prospects (Part III)

[Paintrain]

Just food for thought, the Eli Manning deal years ago was swapping 1st round picks (1 & 4), a third in that draft plus 1st and 5th in the following year's draft.

When Cutler came out, the Broncos gave up a third to move up 4 spots from 15 to 11.

For Sanchez, the Jets gave up their 1st and 2nd plus three players to move from 17 to 5.

The Falcons this year gave up their 1st, 2nd and 4th plus 2011 1st and 4th round picks but they moved up 23 spots to get Julio Jones.

If we end up outside of the top 10 and want to get into the top 5, we will probably have to swap picks, plus at least a 3 this year and a 2 next year. I don't think it will cost two first round picks to move up if we are in the top 10 already unless we are trying to get to #1 from St. Louis to get Luck.

[SFREDSKIN]

Good article:
Rick Snider: Here's the deal: The way for Redskins to draft a QB is via trade | Rick Snider | NFL | Washington Examiner

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Good article:
Rick Snider: Here's the deal: The way for Redskins to draft a QB is via trade | Rick Snider | NFL | Washington Examiner

Except for his moronic notion that the price starts at 3 first round picks which would be historically high. He's a terrible columnist.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Except for his moronic notion that the price starts at 3 first round picks which would be historically high. He's a terrible columnist.

3 first round picks? LOL Better get Luck for that price

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Except for his moronic notion that the price starts at 3 first round picks which would be historically high. He's a terrible columnist.

Where did he say that?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Where did he say that?

2nd to last paragraph..

"St. Louis probably will open the bidding at three first-rounders for their pick. Two firsts and a second over three years, maybe. Including a player would be difficult for the Redskins, who don't have much to offer other than linebackers Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan and they're not expendable. Maybe Roy Helu, but the Rams have a running back."

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Just food for thought, the Eli Manning deal years ago was swapping 1st round picks (1 & 4), a third in that draft plus 1st and 5th in the following year's draft.

When Cutler came out, the Broncos gave up a third to move up 4 spots from 15 to 11.

For Sanchez, the Jets gave up their 1st and 2nd plus three players to move from 17 to 5.

The Falcons this year gave up their 1st, 2nd and 4th plus 2011 1st and 4th round picks but they moved up 23 spots to get Julio Jones.

If we end up outside of the top 10 and want to get into the top 5, we will probably have to swap picks, plus at least a 3 this year and a 2 next year. I don't think it will cost two first round picks to move up if we are in the top 10 already unless we are trying to get to #1 from St. Louis to get Luck.

The Broncos made multiple trades to move up from 29 to 22 to 15 to finally 11.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Broncos made multiple trades to move up from 29 to 22 to 15 to finally 11.

Do you know the sum total of what they gave up? I was trying to establish some realistic expectations of moving 7-10 spots into the top 5 by showing what other teams recently paid to move. Some of the speculation is ridiculous.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Do you know the sum total of what they gave up? I was trying to establish some realistic expectations of moving 7-10 spots into the top 5 by showing what other teams recently paid to move. Some of the speculation is ridiculous.

Um. Let's see

2005: Traded 1st round pick to Redskins for 2005 3rd, 2006 1st, 2006 4th

2006: Traded 1st round pick (#29) to Falcons for 2006 1st (#15), 2006 3rd, and 2007 4th

(the #22 pick was part of a separate trade with SF)

2006: Traded #15 to Rams for #11, and 2006 3rd

[Bubba305-ST21-]

all the speculation is driving me crazy, i literally find myself looking at mock drafts and forums every single day, BUT nobody knows what is going to happen and i hate it!! all i want for christmas is 2 redskin close losses and a late gift in april with RG3 in burgundy and gold.

[T.O.Killa]

I say that If we wanted to move up to number 2, from 8, it would cost our number one, our number 2 and next years number one. I would be OK with it if it lands us a potentially great QB. I see Barkley as the best fit for Shannahan's offense, but I would be satisfied with Luck, or RG3. With that said, I don't like any of the other QB's out there in the first round. Tannhil Hill has a long way to go and Landry Jones just seems not to have the "IT" factor. The fact that they take Landry Jones out of the game inside the ten yard line really bothers me. I think that Barkley comes in and wins with our offense immediately. Luck probably does the same. Rg3 will have to learn a new pro style offense and may have some growing pains year one, but he is super smart and probably has the highest ceiling.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I say that If we wanted to move up to number 2, from 8, it would cost our number one, our number 2 and next years number one. I would be OK with it if it lands us a potentially great QB. I see Barkley as the best fit for Shannahan's offense, but I would be satisfied with Luck, or RG3. With that said, I don't like any of the other QB's out there in the first round. Tannhil Hill has a long way to go and Landry Jones just seems not to have the "IT" factor. The fact that they take Landry Jones out of the game inside the ten yard line really bothers me. I think that Barkley comes in and wins with our offense immediately. Luck probably does the same. Rg3 will have to learn a new pro style offense and may have some growing pains year one, but he is super smart and probably has the highest ceiling.

I like that, SuperSmart.

It's going to be a tough call if thats the price. St Louis would feel pretty good to slip 6 spots and get a 2nd this year and a 1st next year. If it's Luck, I'd say go for it. I don't know as much about RGIII but you'd have to consider it. Tough call. We're still very much a rebuilding team and need draft picks....high draft picks.

[T.O.Killa]

If we were to do something stupid and not take a QB in the first, I like Foles and then Tannhill, in the second.

[skinsfaninok]

Skins aren't trading TW SF, No chance.. He's a bigtime talent and I think he'll put the weed down

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Sam Bradford has all the tools to become a great NFL QB, Colt may not suck (I hate texas lol) But he's small and has an avg arm on top of that he isn't very accurate, Bradford had a good rookie year but that team is just trash around him just wait until he actually gets some help.

When a prospect gets to the NFL he ceases being judged by skillset, they're judged by production.

If you're trying to argue that Bradford has a better skillset..(because the notion that McCoy is inaccurate is far to silly and unsupported to bother arguing against) then I'll concede that Bradford has a slightly better skillset.
But, both have little talent around them and this has been there production thus far:

Bradford 5,676-57.6%-24 TDs-21 INTs-74.2 Rating (89 rush yds)
McCoy.. 4,309-58.4%-20 TDs-20 INTs-74.6 Rating (348 rush yds)

Strikingly similar no?

As for Sanchez I just see too much Rex Grossman in him...No thanks

And to be clear you are the one that said that you would take Sanchez not me.

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

No chance and no to colt McCoy he sucks, small and avg arm, I'd rathe have Sanchez.