New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

OMG NFL.com news: Report: NFL looking into Redskins' 'bounty' system under Williams

Well here we f*cking go. Ex players need to keep their mouth shut...stop snitchin

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

OMG NFL.com news: Report: NFL looking into Redskins' 'bounty' system under Williams

Of course they're investigating us. At the very least it's a violation of the CBA. Lets hope they only view it as a minor violation and fine us money or a mid round pick and that the reason the hammer is being brought down on New Orleans is due to the fact that they were asked to stop.

So the New Orleans Saints were dumb enough to continue a “bounty” system even after the NFL investigated them once, after owner Tom Benson told general manager Mickey Loomis to have it stopped and, worst of all, long after it had stopped working.

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To be fair in the Eagles game we were already winning when Vick was knocked out.

[Paintrain]

Major difference is that it was not an issue that the whole staff and organization were complicit in. We will likely get hit with a fine akin to lack of organizational control but I doubt we lose a pick.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Major difference is that it was not an issue that the whole staff and organization were complicit in. We will likely get hit with a fine akin to lack of organizational control but I doubt we lose a pick.

True dat. Perhaps another difference is that the Saints continued after a warning. It remains unclear that we were warned but continued on anyway.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Lotus

True dat. Perhaps another difference is that the Saints continued after a warning. It remains unclear that we were warned but continued on anyway.

It's pretty unbelievable that the owner, GM, and head coach all knew about it, and yet it continued.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Major difference is that it was not an issue that the whole staff and organization were complicit in. We will likely get hit with a fine akin to lack of organizational control but I doubt we lose a pick.

Are you sure?I ask becuase if I remember right Gegg Williams was the #1 canidate to replace Joe Gibbs and even Williams himself thought he was getting the job,what happen ...did Dan Snyder know and just dump him ,Vinnie??? Your thoughts?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Are you sure?I ask becuase if I remember right Gegg Williams was the #1 canidate to replace Joe Gibbs and even Williams himself thought he was getting the job,what happen ...did Dan Snyder know and just dump him ,Vinnie??? Your thoughts?

Nah, Gibbs and Vinny have both already said publicly that they had no idea this was going on and Snyder wouldn't have denied Williams the job because of this. Williams thought he was getting the job because he has an enormous ego but he was never really in consideration.

[CultBrennan59]

I really hope we don't get punished for this. When is it enough time to say 'hey we can't punish them for this.' ??

I mean really, if the Raiders of the 80s we doing steroids and coaches supplied them of it, do the coaches, players and organization really get punished for what happened years ago with players that aren't even on that team anymore?

I will be furious if we lose a pick that could be crucial in us getting RG3..

[mooby]

Originally Posted by GMScud

He was using the phrase "kill shots." How anyone can be arguing that this is on the up and up is funny and stupid.

He wanted to knock out the top players on the opponents offense, and likened doing so to cutting off the head of a snake. He wanted the opponents best players out of the game, plain and simple. That doesn't mean he didn't reward good play that wasn't dirty- a la Philip Daniels getting $1500 for 4 sacks- but to encourage "kill shots" is deplorable. You're talking about peoples lives and livelihood. Football is dangerous enough without that kind of thuggery.

I mean, Williams himself apologized for it, called it a mistake, and said he knew it was wrong while he was doing it. Like you said, if the main culprit admitted it and said he was wrong, what else is there to defend?

Those of you excusing any of this should just stop. You're lowering the overall IQ of this message board.

The GMScud missile ftw here.

[Giantone]

Question , with this situation with the Saints ,possible fines supensions loss of draft picks etc.....does this now throw Drew Breese into the free agent situation and would you take Breese or Manning?

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Question , with this situation with the Saints ,possible fines supensions loss of draft picks etc.....does this now throw Drew Breese into the free agent situation and would you take Breese or Manning?

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i dont think i want drew breese at QB, now if it was Drew Brees then yes i would. lol

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Question , with this situation with the Saints ,possible fines supensions loss of draft picks etc.....does this now throw Drew Breese into the free agent situation and would you take Breese or Manning?

Why would this throw Brees into the FA situation? If anything I would think it would further incentivize the Saints to sign him. If they're hit with major sanctions and they lose their best player and team leader, it would basically be blow it up and start it all over. It would be a huge disaster.

[Dirtbag59]

From an objective point of view there should be some punishment for the Redskins. Weather that fines, cap space, or draft picks I don't know. At the very least they're getting caught violating the CBA and you can't just punish the Saints and not punish the Redskins.

I mean the Saints should probably get a heftier fine seeing as how they were investigated and asked to stop but

However saying that it happened 5 years ago as an excuse to escape punishment shouldn't really make a difference. If this had happened during the 80's or early 90's then yeah probably to late to hand out a punishment but 5 years isn't really long enough to declare oneself untouchable.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

From an objective point of view there should be some punishment for the Redskins. Weather that fines, cap space, or draft picks I don't know. At the very least they're getting caught violating the CBA and you can't just punish the Saints and not punish the Redskins.

I mean the Saints should probably get a heftier fine seeing as how they were investigated and asked to stop but

However saying that it happened 5 years ago as an excuse to escape punishment shouldn't really make a difference. If this had happened during the 80's or early 90's then yeah probably to late to hand out a punishment but 5 years isn't really long enough to declare oneself untouchable.

Stature of limitations bro. You can't go to every team he ever coached for and punish them. Because Im sure he may have done it elsewhere. Also the difference between what happened on the Redskins and what happened on the Saints is that the Saint's put this pay on their offical books which makes it taxable bonuses therefor illegal.

It one thing if it's a friendly pool between the players and coaches, it another thing when you take booked fine dollars of the team to put it toward as an incentive pay. Not mention the players and staff that may have participated in this in Washington are not here anymore.