Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

You must have missed a lot of drops by our receivers, or the terrible O line play due to starters being injured, etc. Fred Davis, Fletch, Kerrigan and Helu were our heroes last season, that was pretty much it. Hightower was fine till he got banged up, then he broke his leg. Just before he broke his leg he was only getting 2 ypg his last two games. Also, I think our starting O line isn't really all that hot. Throw in the probability of losing Landry and Fletch and well you have a lot of holes, especially if they trade Orakpo to try and get some picks back. Now we have to pray we find another Cooley gem or two in the mid to late rounds this season to actually make the 2-7 rounds worthwhile.

Always a glass half-full kinda guy huh?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Always a glass half-full kinda guy huh?

Nope. We don't have the team in place to make a run yet. I thought we were on the right path for a change to build a solid winner. Any good SB winning HOF QB in the last 20 years always had a star studded cast to help him win. Do you think we are a star studded team? We gave up the ghost for a guy with reat talent, but who doesn't have the best Wr corp or O line protecting him. If our WR corp was more reliable and the O line solid the deal would have been OK, but with the reality of the situation, this is a big ass gamble.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Nope. We don't have the team in place to make a run yet. I thought we were on the right path for a change to build a solid winner. Any good SB winning HOF QB in the last 20 years always had a star studded cast to help him win. Do you think we are a star studded team? We gave up the ghost for a guy with reat talent, but who doesn't have the best Wr corp or O line protecting him. If our WR corp was more reliable and the O line solid the deal would have been OK, but with the reality of the situation, this is a big ass gamble.

Neither did the Colts with Manning. He made those players good. Look what happened when he got hurt. The team fell to $h!t. Just chill out a bit and see how this thing rides out....

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Nope. We don't have the team in place to make a run yet. I thought we were on the right path for a change to build a solid winner. Any good SB winning HOF QB in the last 20 years always had a star studded cast to help him win. Do you think we are a star studded team? We gave up the ghost for a guy with reat talent, but who doesn't have the best Wr corp or O line protecting him. If our WR corp was more reliable and the O line solid the deal would have been OK, but with the reality of the situation, this is a big ass gamble.

Yes, we have holes but a great QB makes a team better. Place some of the Patriots offensive playmakers on the Skins with Grossman at QB and see how great they do.

[GusFrerotte]

RG III would have to be a lot better than Elway, Favre, Young, Marino, to to win with our team as it stands right now. We basically put all our eggs in one basket ala Shuler way back when. Thing is if RG III is a dud, we don't have a Frerotte or Trent Green to at least keep us somewhat competitve. Beck and Grossman suck!

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

RG III would have to be a lot better than Elway, Favre, Young, Marino, to to win with our team as it stands right now. We basically put all our eggs in one basket ala Shuler way back when. Thing is if RG III is a dud, we don't have a Frerotte or Trent Green to at least keep us somewhat competitve. Beck and Grossman suck!

But sometimes you have to go all in. RGIII is not going to be a dud. And the redskins finally have a potentially great qb. In the nfl, a great qb and a great defensive line may be all you need. It could be argued that- that's what the giants had this year.

It appeared to be true- Shanahan would be fired if he didn't pick up RGIII or Manning- or by some miracle another qb would have been able to play well enough for redskins to get into the playoffs.

What would you have done in Shanahans place?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

What would you have done in Shanahans place?

I would have lost my job after the Bills game.

[Hail to the Redskins]

FATE.. and our typical poor luck caused the 3 1st Round Picks to go...

In my thinking... there are 3 unique factors that FORCED the Skins into 3-1st Round Picks:

A) The Browns - We just HAPPENED (our luck) to be competing with a team who had 2 1st round picks when we are trying to trade up. Bad coincidence... this drove the asking price up.

B) Peyton Manning - Apparently, Peyton Manning was not going to be a backup/fallback option and our whole FO & Staff knew we NEEDED one of the "big 3 (Luck, RGII, Manning)"... this drove our buying point up.

C) WR Position - We just happen to be shopping for a top-teir FA WR at the same time as this scenario is playing out. This means we had to make a deal early, before free agency starts. Hard to sell a WR on a team with no QB... The flip-side is, the cost goes up BECAUSE free agency hasn't started, with FA QB options landing with teams competing for the #2 pick.

Ouch. 3 bad coincidences that just happened to hit us as this trade played out.

I say... hey... they realized they had to do what they had to do to get their guy. I hate losing the 2nd round pick the most, though... but... hey...

WE HAVE A REAL HOPE AT THE QB POSITION FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LOOOOOONNNNGGG TIME!!! LET'S CELEBRATE THAT, NOT WHAT THE FUTURE PICKS "MAY" HAVE BEEN!!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

But sometimes you have to go all in. RGIII is not going to be a dud. And the redskins finally have a potentially great qb. In the nfl, a great qb and a great defensive line may be all you need. It could be argued that- that's what the giants had this year.

It appeared to be true- Shanahan would be fired if he didn't pick up RGIII or Manning- or by some miracle another qb would have been able to play well enough for redskins to get into the playoffs.

What would you have done in Shanahans place?

Instead of giving up 3 #1's and a #2, I'd have stayed at 6 and taken Tannehill.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Instead of giving up 3 #1's and a #2, I'd have stayed at 6 and taken Tannehill.

In all honesty, I happen to prefer what the Redskins actually did to taking Tannehill at six.

But I have to be right about BOTH Griffin AND Tannehill. If not right about both, then I am wrong about preferring this trade.

If Griffin isn't the clear no. 1 on the depth chart in 2014 for whatever reason and Tannehill is starting in this league, this will be the worst trade in modern NFL history, and what Shanahan will ultimately be remembered for, instead of the super bowls.

So yeah, this is very much going all-in. Recklessly all-in.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

In all honesty, I happen to prefer what the Redskins actually did to taking Tannehill at six.

But I have to be right about BOTH Griffin AND Tannehill. If not right about both, then I am wrong about preferring this trade.

If Griffin isn't the clear no. 1 on the depth chart in 2014 for whatever reason and Tannehill is starting in this league, this will be the worst trade in modern NFL history, and what Shanahan will ultimately be remembered for, instead of the super bowls.

So yeah, this is very much going all-in. Recklessly all-in.

Agreed. Just a bit too reckless for my taste right now. Like I said, Griffin had better be solid gold. Forget clear #1 by 2014; we'd better be talking Pro Bowl in 2014.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

In all honesty, I happen to prefer what the Redskins actually did to taking Tannehill at six.

But I have to be right about BOTH Griffin AND Tannehill. If not right about both, then I am wrong about preferring this trade.

If Griffin isn't the clear no. 1 on the depth chart in 2014 for whatever reason and Tannehill is starting in this league, this will be the worst trade in modern NFL history, and what Shanahan will ultimately be remembered for, instead of the super bowls.

So yeah, this is very much going all-in. Recklessly all-in.

C'mon Tripp .... I knew u rain on our parade ... Lol. Whatever. I'm so f'ing happy

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

But sometimes you have to go all in. RGIII is not going to be a dud. And the redskins finally have a potentially great qb. In the nfl, a great qb and a great defensive line may be all you need. It could be argued that- that's what the giants had this year.

It appeared to be true- Shanahan would be fired if he didn't pick up RGIII or Manning- or by some miracle another qb would have been able to play well enough for redskins to get into the playoffs.

What would you have done in Shanahans place?

Going all in isn't the style that BA and Shanny started off with in their first two drafts. Get more picks, draft smart, draft needs. RG III right now might be akin to Vick in ATL. He will be fun to watch, but with a less talented supporting cast. Face it you go all in and lose, you lose for awhile. What happened when we drafted Shuler, many thought he was a sure thing also way back then. The Shuler debacle killed this team for over a decade. We still haven't found a franchise QB!! I really hope I am eating crow this time in 2013, but if I am not Holy Shit, you might be looking at another 2-4 years of crappy win loss records.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Going all in isn't the style that BA and Shanny started off with in their first two drafts. Get more picks, draft smart, draft needs. RG III right now might be akin to Vick in ATL. He will be fun to watch, but with a less talented supporting cast. Face it you go all in and lose, you lose for awhile. What happened when we drafted Shuler, many thought he was a sure thing also way back then. The Shuler debacle killed this team for over a decade. We still haven't found a franchise QB!! I really hope I am eating crow this time in 2013, but if I am not Holy Shit, you might be looking at another 2-4 years of crappy win loss records.

People doubted Cam Newton. He did okay. Stop hatting hatter.

[whistler]

Originally Posted by gusfrerotte

rg iii would have to be a lot better than elway, favre, young, marino, to to win with our team as it stands right now. We basically put all our eggs in one basket ala shuler way back when. Thing is if rg iii is a dud, we don't have a frerotte or trent green to at least keep us somewhat competitve. Beck and grossman suck!

believe!!!