Was McNabb misused in Minnesota also?

[GTripp0012]

I think the thing that probably hurts McNabb's position the most is that Kyle can be as egotistical and unwilling to adjust as McNabb thinks he is, and yet, his scheme would still create enough splash plays for a guy like RG3 to have more success than a player like McNabb. Just because Griffin is a better fit.

I'm very skeptical that the Redskins finally have it right all of a sudden, or that they have even found the problem, but I'm a lot more sure that Griffin isn't going to have five seasons with a completion percentage below 60% to start his career like McNabb did. Mike and Kyle aren't going to need to re-create the Andy Reid Eagles to make this work. Their current pass-first, play-action based offense should give ample opportunity for RG3 to succeed.

And if it doesn't, I think the Shanahans are going to take the fall before Griffin. At least, I hope to a higher power that the Shanahan's don't get to pick ANOTHER quarterback if this one doesn't take us where we need to go.

[CrustyRedskin]

Mike Wilbon is the Al Sharpton of sports.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the thing that probably hurts McNabb's position the most is that Kyle can be as egotistical and unwilling to adjust as McNabb thinks he is, and yet, his scheme would still create enough splash plays for a guy like RG3 to have more success than a player like McNabb. Just because Griffin is a better fit.

I'm very skeptical that the Redskins finally have it right all of a sudden, or that they have even found the problem, but I'm a lot more sure that Griffin isn't going to have five seasons with a completion percentage below 60% to start his career like McNabb did. Mike and Kyle aren't going to need to re-create the Andy Reid Eagles to make this work. Their current pass-first, play-action based offense should give ample opportunity for RG3 to succeed.

And if it doesn't, I think the Shanahans are going to take the fall before Griffin. At least, I hope to a higher power that the Shanahan's don't get to pick ANOTHER quarterback if this one doesn't take us where we need to go.

So maybe this is the wrong thread for this but how will you quantify success or that the Shanahans have 'finally gotten it right'? What are your benchmarks or milestones you are looking for to determine success or failure?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So maybe this is the wrong thread for this but how will you quantify success or that the Shanahans have 'finally gotten it right'? What are your benchmarks or milestones you are looking for to determine success or failure?

When we start to compete with and beat NFL teams who are in year to year contention (like we did with the Giants last season), and when we start to crush the bottom 6-8 teams in any given year on the field. When we're competing with playoff teams in meaningful statistical categories. And finally, when we're making personnel moves that suggest we're a big market organization who knows how to use it's resources to separate from teams that don't (or shouldn't) have the means to compete with us.

If we can get a couple of those things right, we'll be on the right track. We already failed on the personnel front this year, but every other one of those criteria is still in play in 2012.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

When we start to compete with and beat NFL teams who are in year to year contention (like we did with the Giants last season), and when we start to crush the bottom 6-8 teams in any given year on the field. When we're competing with playoff teams in meaningful statistical categories. And finally, when we're making personnel moves that suggest we're a big market organization who knows how to use it's resources to separate from teams that don't (or shouldn't) have the means to compete with us.

If we can get a couple of those things right, we'll be on the right track. We already failed on the personnel front this year, but every other one of those criteria is still in play in 2012.

How can we say that when we aren't even to training camp yet GTripp?


There is time to improve on what we have. The salary cap hit is slowing down the team. We have the draft. Salary restructures could free up some space if needed as well as cuts to resign LF and there would still be some cash left to push up right to the cap with a few vet FAs or maybe some other second and third tier guys. AND if we really hit on RGIII or Luck and they live up to everyone's expectations and hopes. Wouldn't adding a franchise QB to our current team = a win for this years off season acquisitions?

I believe that we need time to evaluate the roster once the season starts again. This may end up being a great offseason for adding talent to our team. OR it could be a huge failure that leads to a new HC...... you just never know. It is just to early to state that.

Other than that I agree with your answer.

BTW I read somewhere on some web page that RGIII declined a private work out with the Colts.

[Gary84Clark]

If RGIII does not fit in Shannahan's syst3m then we get a coach that can fit RGIII in their system. We invested too much in RGII he is the franchise. No more excuses Shannahan either wins or he is toast.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

If RGIII does not fit in Shannahan's syst3m then we get a coach that can fit RGIII in their system. We invested too much in RGII he is the franchise. No more excuses Shannahan either wins or he is toast.

Agreed. We've waited two decades or more for a legitimate QB and we can't screw this up.

[CapitalDefense]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Didn't Schaub have a couple of highly productive seasons under Kyle?

Yes he did, a great season in 2010.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CapitalDefense

Yes he did, a great season in 2010.

In 2010 Kyle was in Washington, no?

[NC_Skins]

NFL.com news: Donovan McNabb believes he's a Hall of Famer

I had to share this for the lulz alone.

Kriegel started the discussion by saying there would be "no debate" whether or not McNabb was a Hall of Famer if he had a title. McNabb was asked what makes a Hall of Famer:

"First of all is his numbers. How many times has he led his team to the big game?" McNabb said "The big game still is the NFC Championship Game,

Only McNabb would consider the NFC Championship as the "Big Game"....lol What a dope.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by mooby

So what is your argument? I'm having a hard time with what you're trying to say here. Do you think we're doomed to failure with Mike and Kyle at the helm? Is the glass half empty or is it half full? Too many cooks in the kitchen? Do you think they have no credibility, and deserve absolutely no benefit of the doubt based on past history?



Do you think no matter what path they take, be it draft, FA, or otherwise, that we will never be successful no matter what? I don't get it. It seems like every move this franchise makes, you laughably dismiss it as foolish. Why bother watching or following the team if you think we're just doomed to failure. Is it the fascination of watching a train wreck? I don't get it.

I think we should all have a round of beers on Matty.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I think we should all have a round of beers on Matty.

/Stressful day, needs a drink.

[MTK]

Hey did you hear RG3 dissed the Colts?

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hey did you hear RG3 dissed the Colts?

No what happened.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hey did you hear RG3 dissed the Colts?