Redskins Sign RB Ryan Grant/Place Roy Helu Jr. on IR

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Here's a Helu question: could the achilles injuries led to turf toe? I'm thinking about how athletes will compensate for an injury in their step or stride, which can lead to other injuries.

My curiousity is because it seems strange and pretty worrisome Helu got turf toe w/o a lot of miles, like how injury prone is he?

Yeah I don't know. Good question though

[InsaneBoost]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well he's getting his knee scoped. When he returns he has said he wants to return to the Skins but we'll see what happens

I just don't see why he wouldn't shred the knee again. Not trying to be a debbie downer, but after one of those big cuts, I just can't see it lasting long.

[RGIII]

This has to be the most injured (injury-prone) team in the league. I don't recall it ever being this bad before.

[skinsfaninok]

Yeah it seems like we have more injuries than anyone over the last 2-3 seasons. This franchise really is snakebit.

[The Goat]

Other than Carlos Rogers I can't remember any ex Skins who've complained about the training/medical staff. And his situation seemed pretty bizarre to me.

But overall I have noticed that we tend to play sloppy on both sides of the ball, the difference this season being RG3's extreme talent and ability, which I strongly suspect contributes to injuries several ways.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Here's a Helu question: could the achilles injuries led to turf toe? I'm thinking about how athletes will compensate for an injury in their step or stride, which can lead to other injuries.

My curiousity is because it seems strange and pretty worrisome Helu got turf toe w/o a lot of miles, like how injury prone is he?

I hate to say it, but Helu is just a plain sissy. Remember the days when running backs such as John Riggins, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett, Marcus Allen, Curt Warner, Ernest Byner, Franco Harris, Barry Sanders, and Emmit Smith all carried the load year in and year out and remained injury free? It seems these current day running backs are not of that mold anymore. When Lombardi coached, running backs and players of other positions played with injuries. Now, players have to sit out 2-3 weeks nursing this, and nursing that. Certain players have become sissies. Bottom damn line!

[RedskinRat]

Have you seen the physical state of most of the Old School players?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Have you seen the physical state of most of the Old School players?

I know a lot of former players are suffering from their play on the gridiron during another era. But when they were hurt, they still played. In retrospect to today's players, those former players played through the injuries and the pain. I can't say the same for today's players. Today's players are sissies and I stand by that opinion.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I hate to say it, but Helu is just a plain sissy. Remember the days when running backs such as John Riggins, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett, Marcus Allen, Curt Warner, Ernest Byner, Franco Harris, Barry Sanders, and Emmit Smith all carried the load year in and year out and remained injury free? It seems these current day running backs are not of that mold anymore. When Lombardi coached, running backs and players of other positions played with injuries. Now, players have to sit out 2-3 weeks nursing this, and nursing that. Certain players have become sissies. Bottom damn line!

Nonsense.

Ever have turf toe? Or any sort of significant foot injury?

The guys you list were far from being "injury free".

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

I know a lot of former players are suffering from their play on the gridiron during another era. But when they were hurt, they still played. In retrospect to today's players, those former players played through the injuries and the pain. I can't say the same for today's players. Today's players are sissies and I stand by that opinion.

(1) You realize the size, strength and speed of current players is beyond anything with which the "classic gridiron" guys dealt? (The Hogs were the heaviest O-line of their day. Today, they would be the smallest, by far, in the league).

(2) "Sissies"? That is just plain ignorant, moronic, obtuse - take your pick of adjectives describing someone who holds an opinion completely lacking in anything but apocryphal data for support. I am 50 year old guy - "back-in-the-day" I saw some players play with pain and some who refused. Your "opinion" is simply a personal bias lacking any factual data. Further, your rose-colored "back in my day" attitude denigrates the serious risks these guys put themself in week in and week out.

I stand by that opinion.

P.S.: John Riggins missed much of the 74 season due to an shoulder injury and the 77 season due to a sknee injury -- and then of course there's that contract thing in '80. Just saying...

P.P.S.: Being an old-timer, I am sure you remember Jim Brown calling Franco Harris a softie b/c he ran out of bounds to avoid contact and of course you recall that Harris didn't deny it but asserted he was just playing smart ...

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by joeredskin

(1) you realize the size, strength and speed of current players is beyond anything with which the "classic gridiron" guys dealt? (the hogs were the heaviest o-line of their day. Today, they would be the smallest, by far, in the league).

(2) "sissies"? That is just plain ignorant, moronic, obtuse - take your pick of adjectives describing someone who holds an opinion completely lacking in anything but apocryphal data for support. I am 50 year old guy - "back-in-the-day" i saw some players play with pain and some who refused. Your "opinion" is simply a personal bias lacking any factual data. Further, your rose-colored "back in my day" attitude denigrates the serious risks these guys put themself in week in and week out.

I stand by that opinion.

P.s.: John riggins missed much of the 74 season due to an shoulder injury and the 77 season due to a sknee injury -- and then of course there's that contract thing in '80. Just saying...

P.p.s.: Being an old-timer, i am sure you remember jim brown calling franco harris a softie b/c he ran out of bounds to avoid contact and of course you recall that harris didn't deny it but asserted he was just playing smart ...

lol

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Have you seen the physical state of most of the Old School players?

If he's still breathing he better be out on the field! Injuries be damned. Broke your leg? Put some Robitussin on it and get back out on the f*cking field.

(sarcasm abound)

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Nonsense.

Ever have turf toe? Or any sort of significant foot injury?

The guys you list were far from being "injury free".

Never had turf toe but I have had a bad left foot since I was very young. Ankle and foot problems plagued me back then and I still managed to be a starting safety at Theodore Roosevelt High School in D.C. in 1990 and 1991. I never bitched about how hurt I was. The pain became second nature and I limped through it until it healed somewhat. Today at 40 the same foot bothers me some(not as much as back then).

I still question Roy Helu's toughness.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Never had turf toe but I have had a bad left foot since I was very young. Ankle and foot problems plagued me back then and I still managed to be a starting safety at Theodore Roosevelt High School in D.C. in 1990 and 1991. I never bitched about how hurt I was. The pain became second nature and I limped through it until it healed somewhat. Today at 40 the same foot bothers me some(not as much as back then).

I still question Roy Helu's toughness.

Have you considered maybe the cause of your having a bad foot now is because you never let it heal properly and you played on it? I sprained my wrist, to the point where I couldn't rotate it, didn't go to the hospital till about 2 days in, gave me a brace which I only wore on and off, and still continued to work (manual labor) and although my wrist has healed it causes me pain sometimes and it's not as strong as it was before I sprained it (Well there goes my waitressing dreams).

It doesn't make sense to say, "oh well, I have an injury, F it!" I can understand if its something that's not debilitating or something that you can play on and still have it heal or protect it somehow.

Its not a matter of toughness its a matter of health. I'd rather be a healthy wimp than a tough fool.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

(1) You realize the size, strength and speed of current players is beyond anything with which the "classic gridiron" guys dealt? (The Hogs were the heaviest O-line of their day. Today, they would be the smallest, by far, in the league).

(2) "Sissies"? That is just plain ignorant, moronic, obtuse - take your pick of adjectives describing someone who holds an opinion completely lacking in anything but apocryphal data for support. I am 50 year old guy - "back-in-the-day" I saw some players play with pain and some who refused. Your "opinion" is simply a personal bias lacking any factual data. Further, your rose-colored "back in my day" attitude denigrates the serious risks these guys put themself in week in and week out.

I stand by that opinion.

P.S.: John Riggins missed much of the 74 season due to an shoulder injury and the 77 season due to a sknee injury -- and then of course there's that contract thing in '80. Just saying...

P.P.S.: Being an old-timer, I am sure you remember Jim Brown calling Franco Harris a softie b/c he ran out of bounds to avoid contact and of course you recall that Harris didn't deny it but asserted he was just playing smart ...

The strength and the speed of the pro game has undoubtedly increased in the last two or three decades. Players have been delivering punishing, murderous hits to offensive players as far back as the 1960s. Jack Tatum, Dick Butkus, Ray Nitschke, were all fearsome hitters.

While the size and strength as well as speed of the players have increased, the impact of the hits is still the same. Of course players back then missed time, but in today's NFL, if a player is injured it's a given that he's going to miss some time. Back in 1981, Kellen Winslow Sr. played hurt for four quarters in a playoff game against the Miami Dolphins that the Chargers ultimately won. I haven't seen a player play injured with that degree or level of tenacity in the last 30 years. As recent as 2004, Terrell Owens played in the Super Bowl with a severely bum ankle that a lot of players today would miss the biggest game in football for because they can't suck it up and play.

Roy Helu Jr. is soft. He's a cream puff and you can't convince me otherwise.