Redskins Lions postgame

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

We do get Jenkins and Rob Jackson back after the bye. Maybe they will help with run defense, but not expecting much.

Run defense wasn't that bad to be honest if you look at the stats. Bell is a big boy and with the exception of a handful of runs they hit him good. When Nate Burleson can totally smoke all 4 DBs, you are in trouble. Nate is a great WR, but he isn't a spring chicken anymore and on the verge of retiring in a few.

[redskins5044]

Well looks like the Falcons and 49ers are going to 1-2....they better fire everyone and Kapernick has looked like crap the last 2 games, bring in Colt McCoy.

[Chico23231]

Wow so Kyle has to go. Just amazing to me.

This franchise seems to get very little right when it comes to some moves

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Wow so Kyle has to go. Just amazing to me.

This franchise seems to get very little right when it comes to some moves

Well I thought the Shanahans were a package deal.

Wonder who the Skins were pursue for OC? Are there any really good ones out there?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Wow so Kyle has to go. Just amazing to me.

This franchise seems to get very little right when it comes to some moves

Just for the last 22 years. Jeez ya act like its all the .....oh wait a minute

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

Yes it will, it will make them tackle better and cover better j/k. We had no cap space to improve the secondary this offseason, he basically has the same people with some rookies sprinkled in. Rookies are going to make mistakes and we all know Wilson and Hall aren't that good. All in all they didn't play that bad today, they aren't great then need the offense to help them out.

Maybe the case but minus one or two successful seasons the guy doesnt exactly have a track record of winning. Great coaches make the most out of what they have. He has not. He has actually made one of the worst defenses of all time.

[warriorzpath]

I don't think it's wise to get rid of anybody. But I think it's time to re-adjust expectations because this team is still trying to get back to its identity of last season while also dealing with RGIII's injury (and with that - protecting him more this year).

This team is probably not going to make the playoffs and everyone just has to accept that fact. What fans should do is look for signs for improvement for next year. That way it's not about winning or losing when you watch the games and the games will be more entertaining. I'm not leaving out hope that they can't turn this around, but 0-3 is just too big of a hole to dig out of to start the season. I also don't want to blow up this whole thing because of a bad start that had a lot of things that went against the Redskins this season so far.

Blow it up and hope for what? The next Chip Kelly? No, I'll hold out at least until next season when Alfred Morris and RGIII are more seasoned and probably more prepared with RGIII healthier. And there will be more cap space with the possibility of bringing in more db talent and maybe drafting a speedy wideout that can catch the ball.

If they can't get anywhere by next season, then I say fire everybody.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't think it's wise to get rid of anybody. But I think it's time to re-adjust expectations because this team is still trying to get back to its identity of last season while also dealing with RGIII's injury (and with that - protecting him more this year).

This team is probably not going to make the playoffs and everyone just has to accept that fact. What fans should do is look for signs for improvement for next year. That way it's not about winning or losing when you watch the games and the games will be more entertaining. I'm not leaving out hope that they can't turn this around, but 0-3 is just too big of a hole to dig out of to start the season. I also don't want to blow up this whole thing because of a bad start that had a lot of things that went against the Redskins this season so far.

Blow it up and hope for what? The next Chip Kelly? No, I'll hold out at least until next season when Alfred Morris and RGIII are more seasoned and probably more prepared with RGIII healthier. And there will be more cap space with the possibility of bringing in more db talent and maybe drafting a speedy wideout that can catch the ball.

If they can't get anywhere by next season, then I say fire everybody.

You don't can anybody midseason like Snyder did with Norv. Norv deserved to go, but not like that when the season could have been salvaged with an outside shot at the playoffs still a possibility. A long shot yes, but it could have happened if he was allowed to turn it around. I don't think it is good to fire coaches mid season as you might as well write off the rest of the season. Give these guys time to make the necessary adjustments and see where it leads. Right now this team is lacking in some basic fundamentals as the tackling issue shows and the sloppy penalties.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

You don't can anybody midseason like Snyder did with Norv. Norv deserved to go, but not like that when the season could have been salvaged with an outside shot at the playoffs still a possibility. A long shot yes, but it could have happened if he was allowed to turn it around. I don't think it is good to fire coaches mid season as you might as well write off the rest of the season. Give these guys time to make the necessary adjustments and see where it leads. Right now this team is lacking in some basic fundamentals as the tackling issue shows and the sloppy penalties.

Ravens fired Cameron and won the SB.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't think it's wise to get rid of anybody. But I think it's time to re-adjust expectations because this team is still trying to get back to its identity of last season while also dealing with RGIII's injury (and with that - protecting him more this year).

This team is probably not going to make the playoffs and everyone just has to accept that fact. What fans should do is look for signs for improvement for next year. That way it's not about winning or losing when you watch the games and the games will be more entertaining. I'm not leaving out hope that they can't turn this around, but 0-3 is just too big of a hole to dig out of to start the season. I also don't want to blow up this whole thing because of a bad start that had a lot of things that went against the Redskins this season so far.

Blow it up and hope for what? The next Chip Kelly? No, I'll hold out at least until next season when Alfred Morris and RGIII are more seasoned and probably more prepared with RGIII healthier. And there will be more cap space with the possibility of bringing in more db talent and maybe drafting a speedy wideout that can catch the ball.

If they can't get anywhere by next season, then I say fire everybody.

The problem I have with posts/opinions like these is they assume coaching talent is forever limited to what we see today, and then adding a second illogical assumption we'll automatically make a rash move e.g. Chip Kelly. You could just easily point to Pete Carroll, who's completely turned Seattle into a contender. Or the Colts. New coach, lots of new faces, and they're kicking ass. Or what Elway did in Denver, pull together two coaches from pretty listless situations and suddenly that team is a contender (don't forget, Denver was winning before Peyton got there, it's just that now it's a powerhouse team).

The point is, human capital, in this case coaching talent, is NEVER a limited supply. This coaching staff/chemistry sucks from top to bottom. Mike has sucked for over a decade, and that's why Denver kicked him to the curb. Haslett has never achieved anything to write home about. Same with Kyle, when he left Houston they didn't skip a beat. We have losers leading this team, period. Aside from a brief 8 game stint where the stars perfectly aligned - rest of the NFC East completely fell apart, new offensive scheme took defenses by surprise, etc. - this has not been a serious football team since Mike came to town.

Find the right coach, and this team could be a contender in a year or two. We see it happen over and over and over again around the league. It's our turn.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The problem I have with posts/opinions like these is they assume coaching talent is forever limited to what we see today, and then adding a second illogical assumption we'll automatically make a rash move e.g. Chip Kelly. You could just easily point to Pete Carroll, who's completely turned Seattle into a contender. Or the Colts. New coach, lots of new faces, and they're kicking ass. Or what Elway did in Denver, pull together two coaches from pretty listless situations and suddenly that team is a contender (don't forget, Denver was winning before Peyton got there, it's just that now it's a powerhouse team).

The point is, human capital, in this case coaching talent, is NEVER a limited supply. This coaching staff/chemistry sucks from top to bottom. Mike has sucked for over a decade, and that's why Denver kicked him to the curb. Haslett has never achieved anything to write home about. Same with Kyle, when he left Houston they didn't skip a beat. We have losers leading this team, period. Aside from a brief 8 game stint where the stars perfectly aligned - rest of the NFC completely fell apart, new offensive scheme took defenses by surprise, etc. - this has not been a serious football team since Mike came to town.

Find the right coach, and this team could be a contender in a year or two. We see it happen over and over and over again around the league. It's our turn.

We have been trying to find the right coach/qb combo for over a decade. And now that we have one- you want to start over and try to find another one? This is barely year 2 of Shanahan and RGIII. Just be patient and let it play out. RGIII's still recovering from an injury and the offense is still trying to get back to last year's form. They look like they're taking baby steps to get there, but they are getting there. And when they do- you'll be backtracking a little bit.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The problem I have with posts/opinions like these is they assume coaching talent is forever limited to what we see today, and then adding a second illogical assumption we'll automatically make a rash move e.g. Chip Kelly. You could just easily point to Pete Carroll, who's completely turned Seattle into a contender. Or the Colts. New coach, lots of new faces, and they're kicking ass. Or what Elway did in Denver, pull together two coaches from pretty listless situations and suddenly that team is a contender (don't forget, Denver was winning before Peyton got there, it's just that now it's a powerhouse team).

The point is, human capital, in this case coaching talent, is NEVER a limited supply. This coaching staff/chemistry sucks from top to bottom. Mike has sucked for over a decade, and that's why Denver kicked him to the curb. Haslett has never achieved anything to write home about. Same with Kyle, when he left Houston they didn't skip a beat. We have losers leading this team, period. Aside from a brief 8 game stint where the stars perfectly aligned - rest of the NFC East completely fell apart, new offensive scheme took defenses by surprise, etc. - this has not been a serious football team since Mike came to town.

Find the right coach, and this team could be a contender in a year or two. We see it happen over and over and over again around the league. It's our turn.

Denver was 8-8, 8-8, 4-12, 8-8 prior to Peytons arrival. They went 13-3 when Peyton got there. If thats what you call winning prior to Peytons arrival. What... The... Hell...

The year Tebow played, they won the division at 8-8. That division was pretty bad prior to this year. Even so, its mainly Denver and the Chiefs this year, and the Chiefs were actually a talented team last year based on how many players went to the pro bowl.

You also dont ever acknowledge the shape of this team prior to Mikes arrival. Old, terrible, and in horrible cap shape. Even without the Haynesworth and Dhall contracts that got us the cap penalty, we would have still been in terrible cap shape. Since not only would we still have their guaranteed money to deal with, meaning we wouldnt have been able to cut them, we would have been dealing with their annual salaries on the books as well, since we wouldnt have been able to cut them. That means even worse teams talent wise than getting the guaranteed money into the uncapped year and dealing with almost 19 mil less cap space that most teams.

Mike did not take over a team with good players that couldnt get it done under the prior coaches, such as San Fran, Seattle, and the Chiefs. He took over a train wreck. The assumption that anyone was turning this team around in a couple of years is a joke. About the only one who could have done that was Gibbs, and if we are basing firing a coach based on being as good as Gibbs, then 30 HC's in the NFL are being fired this year, maybe even all 32.

Am I going to cry if Kyle or Haslett get fired? No... But to continue to claim that this team was a Super Bowl caliber team when Mike arrived to continue your notion that its all Mikes fault is laughable at best.

But then again, you havent said anything else since his arrival, even after they won the division for the first time since 99' last year.

[Lotus]

So SS, would Mike fire Kyle midseason? Or will we be hamstrung from Shanahan family bickering all year?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

So SS, would Mike fire Kyle midseason? Or will we be hamstrung from Shanahan family bickering all year?

Let me start over here. First, I shouldn't have brought this up today. The reality is that at 3-0 I'd probably be thinking the same thing. I mean I've talked at least to Matty about this. I'm not talking about letting him go now. Not at all. What I'm saying after this season he should move on. Or Mike should. One of them. Pick a plan and move forward with that. I don't believe they have the same plan, and that can be hidden only so long

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He didn't control the ball when he rolled on the ground. Like it or not that's the rule. It's a stupid as hell rule but it is what it is.

I think bucket was just freezing that moment in time to show us how close we were to winning- not that it was a bad call