All things offseason discussion part II

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

agreed. i also think manziel is a douche but to play devils advocate:

1. he is only a few months away from being a college frat boy (of epic party douche proportions we will never experience, may take time to change)

2. the browns need something ... anything ..... different form the cycle they have been in since the days of mack running loose. they need to become relevant again.

3. this is exactly what the browns signed up for. PR move (with some upside) to sell tickets and try and ignite some hope in a hopeless franchise and fan base. And its working = we are talking about the browns in the middle of the summer.

LOL! Good point!

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

agreed. i also think manziel is a douche but to play devils advocate:

1. he is only a few months away from being a college frat boy (of epic party douche proportions we will never experience, may take time to change)

2. the browns need something ... anything ..... different form the cycle they have been in since the days of mack running loose. they need to become relevant again.

3. this is exactly what the browns signed up for. PR move (with some upside) to sell tickets and try and ignite some hope in a hopeless franchise and fan base. And its working = we are talking about the browns in the middle of the summer.

The last two kind of sound like Washington since Snyder took over...

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by donofriose

The last two kind of sound like Washington since Snyder took over...

agreed.

offseason champs are the 2nd best business model for an NFL franchise .............. next to being the actual Superbowl champs.

finally for the skins thoo, our offseason champ addition of RG3 may turn us into SB champs one day.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

If he succeeds than it will all be ok and or forgotten, and if he fails than it will all be the reason why.
Edit: maybe its all got to do with whether or not he can play ball on the next level and social media has absolutely zero to do with that?

Your a paid professional representing a franchise and the shield. His life has changed and needs to recognize it. It only a matter of time

[MTK]

lol Johnny is douching it up like only he can. What a moron.

[skinsfan69]

Hoyer and the coaches are in a no win situation. I can't imagine what it's going to be like once they start losing or Hoyer throws a few picks. The fans, media and owner will be calling for Maziel like no ones business.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Your a paid professional representing a franchise and the shield. His life has changed and needs to recognize it. It only a matter of time

How many others have done worse? How many others does anyone care About? Just sayin. Dude hasnt killed anyone.

[TexSkins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

How many others have done worse? How many others does anyone care About? Just sayin. Dude hasnt killed anyone.

Exactly. Johnny is all business on the field. Have the naysayers watched this kid play? The reason Carr/Bridgewater haven't stirred up controversy is due to the fact that their names aren't Johnny Manziel. Neither of them have the talent that Manziel has or live under the microscope like he does. Carr will falter just like his brother did. Bridgewater slid for many reasons. The Vikings would've been in better shape if they took the QB the Pats picked up.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by TexSkins

Exactly. Johnny is all business on the field. Have the naysayers watched this kid play? The reason Carr/Bridgewater haven't stirred up controversy is due to the fact that their names aren't Johnny Manziel. Neither of them have the talent that Manziel has or live under the microscope like he does. Carr will falter just like his brother did. Bridgewater slid for many reasons. The Vikings would've been in better shape if they took the QB the Pats picked up.

Manziel tones it down . . . by hanging out with Justin Bieber | ProFootballTalk

I guess your a belieber in Manziel?

[TexSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Manziel tones it down . . . by hanging out with Justin Bieber | ProFootballTalk

I guess your a belieber in Manziel?

YOU'RE god damn right. I know what he did on the field at aTm. Do I care who he associates with? Nah
If he beats a woman, tortures dogs or pulls a Hernandez...all bets are off.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Hoyer and the coaches are in a no win situation. I can't imagine what it's going to be like once they start losing or Hoyer throws a few picks. The fans, media and owner will be calling for Maziel like no ones business.

Yup and nobody will say, well he rode a flamingo raft so i dont think hes ready.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TexSkins

Exactly. Johnny is all business on the field. Have the naysayers watched this kid play? The reason Carr/Bridgewater haven't stirred up controversy is due to the fact that their names aren't Johnny Manziel. Neither of them have the talent that Manziel has or live under the microscope like he does. Carr will falter just like his brother did. Bridgewater slid for many reasons. The Vikings would've been in better shape if they took the QB the Pats picked up.

He brings the drama on himself. And he slid in the draft too. Nobody knows if any of these guys can play at the next level yet.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He brings the drama on himself. And he slid in the draft too. Nobody knows if any of these guys can play at the next level yet.

Exactly! Until the "kid" proves he can play at the pro level, the naysayers will continue to speak. Heck, the naysayers are still speaking about RGIII.

[NC_Skins]

I laugh at the people defending Manziel, but he's his own worst enemy. Is he doing anything wrong by going out, drinking, hanging with celebs? Absolutely not. Is he drawing uneeded attention to himself? Absolutely yes.


What this tells me is Manziel doesn't make good decisions. If he can't make good decisions off the field, what makes people think he's going to make them on the football field? How stupid do you have to be to carry a stack of cash around? What does that tell you about his decision making ability? While his antics aren't harming anybody, the position he plays demands a lot in the way of good decision making and maturity, which he's shown absolutely none. I really don't expect this kid to go far.

[SirLK26]

^Exactly. If he had made better decisions, he might have won the Heisman... or maybe even been known as one of the most successful college football players of all time.

Manziel is a very controversial person, but it's because he's an immature young man who was now just handed a ton of money. Of course he's going to make some questionable decisions. But I stand by what I said before: until he does some stuff that actually shows he's worthy of dislike, I'll continue to root for him. From what I've read about him, he's a good person at heart. Of course, that could be mere blather, but I don't believe you'll read those kinds of things about Ndamakong Suh.