RG3 and Gruden?

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Let's be honest, no Redskins fan should be trying to defend any of our QBs play this season. It's been abysmal.

This!

Every aspect of the team has been abysmal.
I think we should all agree that significant changes need to be made.

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[skinsfan69]

Not sticking up for Colt by any means, he played like shit. But by everything we've heard, there's a sense of entitlement with Griffin. I think Gruden is tired of all the bs and lit him up in his own press conference. It was wrong, but Griffin obviously needed to be put in his place.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Not sticking up for Colt by any means, he played like shit. But by everything we've heard, there's a sense of entitlement with Griffin. I think Gruden is tired of all the bs and lit him up in his own press conference. It was wrong, but Griffin obviously needed to be put in his place.

I agree 100% but that comes with giving away a fortune for him.

Also, people love to knock down guys that get a lot of hype.
Bosworth is the first guy that comes to mind.

Colt is bad. Reminds of me the last year we had Brunell, couldn't throw past 20 yards. Tried to dink and dunk teams to death and it just doesn't work.
Colt is Brunell 2.0.

[KI Skins Fan]

Right now, I do not see any benefit to the Redskins organization in the HC tearing down RGIII in public or in his putting KC in "the closet" as someone here put it. Gruden certainly crushed their egos but can he and will he build them up again by helping them to become better players? That is the question in my mind.

[Schneed10]

It's definitely not a matter of not knowing the playbook, it's a matter of not recognizing what defenses are showing you. Which based on those reads, you should immediately know which targets should become your keys.

It's not a playbook problem, it's an inability to diagnose what they're seeing. So it's the chalkboard sessions that are lacking. Either the teaching is terrible or the QBs are too dumb to get it or they're too gunshy in the pocket from being whacked to think straight.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

It's definitely not a matter of not knowing the playbook, it's a matter of not recognizing what defenses are showing you. Which based on those reads, you should immediately know which targets should become your keys.

It's not a playbook problem, it's an inability to diagnose what they're seeing. So it's the chalkboard sessions that are lacking. Either the teaching is terrible or the QBs are too dumb to get it or they're too gunshy in the pocket from being whacked to think straight.

I agree with you. They're not being coached properly. I just want to add "Or they're concerned about getting pulled by the guy who can't seem to decide on a starter."

[Schneed10]

I think Robert comes from a military family where discipline and hard work are paramount. But his parents were sergeants, not colonels. I don't think his upbringing came with a lot of strategic or analytical thinking. His upbringing came with drive, determination, physical hard work (you hear stories about his dad pushing him in workouts, running hills, etc.). And you hear his motivational life lessons on Twitter and Facebook, he's very much a mind over matter kind of guy.

And his work ethic with the physical side, combined with his raw athleticism, was all he ever needed to succeed in high school and college. So naturally given his upbringing and his work habits, he focuses on the weight room and agility drills. He's never had to talk Xs and Os with a coach at the chalkboard. At least not at an advanced level.

Shanahan saw this, and designed a read option based offense that just required him to make one or two reads. Gruden needs him go through three or four reads. No surprise that we're seeing failure.

I don't think McVay and Gruden are lacking in the teaching of Xs and Os department. They're lacking in other areas, namely discipline. But sticking just to the QB training side, they're fine. Robert is the problem. He has to change and become more of a student of the game. I don't think he recognizes that though, so I think he'll continue to fail.

Kirk gets the Gruden offense. The teaching reached him. He's just a gun slinger and makes mistakes, then gets down on himself and has no gumption to rally.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think Robert comes from a military family where discipline and hard work are paramount. But his parents were sergeants, not colonels. I don't think his upbringing came with a lot of strategic or analytical thinking. His upbringing came with drive, determination, physical hard work (you hear stories about his dad pushing him in workouts, running hills, etc.). And you hear his motivational life lessons on Twitter and Facebook, he's very much a mind over matter kind of guy.

And his work ethic with the physical side, combined with his raw athleticism, was all he ever needed to succeed in high school and college. So naturally given his upbringing and his work habits, he focuses on the weight room and agility drills. He's never had to talk Xs and Os with a coach at the chalkboard. At least not at an advanced level.

Shanahan saw this, and designed a read option based offense that just required him to make one or two reads. Gruden needs him go through three or four reads. No surprise that we're seeing failure.

I don't think McVay and Gruden are lacking in the teaching of Xs and Os department. They're lacking in other areas, namely discipline. But sticking just to the QB training side, they're fine. Robert is the problem. He has to change and become more of a student of the game. I don't think he recognizes that though, so I think he'll continue to fail.

Kirk gets the Gruden offense. The teaching reached him. He's just a gun slinger and makes mistakes, then gets down on himself and has no gumption to rally.

I dont think RG's parent's jobs have anything to do with whether or not he's a hard worker.

Its funny how now everyone thinks the team needs more discipline, because another part of why JG was hired is because he's more of a players coach than Shanny the disciplinarian.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think RG's parent's jobs have anything to do with whether or not he's a hard worker.

First off, you're missing my point. I'm not saying he's not a hard worker. I'm saying he pours the hard work in the wrong ways. He works hard in the weight room and on the physical, but he hasn't worked hard as a student of the game. Steve Young's comments on that matter should not be dismissed, the guy knows Mike Shanahan quite closely.

And secondly, his parents' jobs are an indicator of who they are and what they value. Which in turn shapes the way you're brought up. Have you not read story after story about how RG3 and his father would be out pulling tires up hills, or doing wind sprints during family gatherings?

You know what stories you don't read about? RG3 holding endless chalkboard sessions with his coaches, or picking the brains of accomplished QBs.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

First off, you're missing my point. I'm not saying he's not a hard worker. I'm saying he pours the hard work in the wrong ways. He works hard in the weight room and on the physical, but he hasn't worked hard as a student of the game. Steve Young's comments on that matter should not be dismissed, the guy knows Mike Shanahan quite closely.

And secondly, his parents' jobs are an indicator of who they are and what they value. Which in turn shapes the way you're brought up. Have you not read story after story about how RG3 and his father would be out pulling tires up hills, or doing wind sprints during family gatherings?

You know what stories you don't read about? RG3 holding endless chalkboard sessions with his coaches, or picking the brains of accomplished QBs.

I'm picking up what you're dropping. But remember what someone said about RG really looking up to Rex for guidance, so I don't think it's that RG thinks he's above coaching/mentoring. Maybe he doesn't click well with everyone, not a crime or even a character flaw.

It still goes back to the HC knowing what/who he's got. Gruden missed on several things, finding a way to connect/mentor RG is a big one and what we all thought he was brought in to do.

Gruden's case would be a lot stronger if he had any success with another QB on the roster, or fielded an offense prepared to play.

[Schneed10]

So long story short, I think Gruden makes a good offensive coordinator and McVay a good QB coach. But they're not strong enough in the discipline department or leadership department to be Head Coach and Coordinator respectively.

The team is sloppy and misses blocking assignments. The only unit I'd give a passing grade to on this team is the pass receiving group - Reed, Paul, and the WRs.

We need a stronger head coach with more of a kick ass style to whip these guys into shape. Gruden belongs back in the coordinator ranks.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

So long story short, I think Gruden makes a good offensive coordinator and McVay a good QB coach. But they're not strong enough in the discipline department or leadership department to be Head Coach and Coordinator respectively.

The team is sloppy and misses blocking assignments. The only unit I'd give a passing grade to on this team is the pass receiving group - Reed, Paul, and the WRs.

We need a stronger head coach with more of a kick ass style to whip these guys into shape. Gruden belongs back in the coordinator ranks.

Cowher.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

So long story short, I think Gruden makes a good offensive coordinator and McVay a good QB coach. But they're not strong enough in the discipline department or leadership department to be Head Coach and Coordinator respectively.

The team is sloppy and misses blocking assignments. The only unit I'd give a passing grade to on this team is the pass receiving group - Reed, Paul, and the WRs.

We need a stronger head coach with more of a kick ass style to whip these guys into shape. Gruden belongs back in the coordinator ranks.

Yup, to infinity.

[SFREDSKIN]

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